# MetaGame meets Vinay Gupta (part 2 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [762], part 2 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2021-09-29 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the law step (Mattereum, 2017), before the great powers step (Multipolar Realpolitik, 2024).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Green capitalism via verified claims.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
  - The Future of Stuff (2020): Book on the philosophy under Mattereum: risk and morality in deals about physical things. (suggested by machine)
  - Lean Green Mattereum: "We aren't just here to change the world, we're here to fix it" (2020): 162-page deck tying it together: poverty and climate are one problem, a lean green development path is... (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - environment / green capitalism: Green economics: from oil efficiency to markets for facts about products. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - social enterprise: Enterprises that turn money into social capital and back: the capital conversion matrix from the Rocky Mountain... (through a work suggested by machine)
  - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Capitalism, consumption & resources (31%); Property, NFTs & real-estate transactions (28%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: carbon credits (24 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2021); NFT (22 here; 45 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); carbon offset (5 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); Wall Street (4 here; 24 sources in all, earliest dated 2011); internet money (2 here; 9 sources in all, earliest dated 2015); Extinction Rebellion (1 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); Asset Passport (3 here; 33 sources in all, earliest dated 2017, 2 undated); proof of stake (2 here; 17 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); climate disaster (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2010); crypto war (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2015)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): carbon credits
- Importance: core-text score 0.29 (1.00 is the top), number 261 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
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  - [555] [Breaking Down Real World Assets: Crypto Daily, with... (2024)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/555.md): close in content (cosine 0.91)
- On the same works, just before: [245] [Vinay Gupta - Fab 16 presentation (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/245.md); [717] [The Novum Insightful - Ep1: Vinay Gupta | CEO of Mattereum (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/717.md); [677] [Vinay Gupta - A Radical Manifesto for Fixing the World (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/677.md)
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## Reading it

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Cite as: MetaGame meets Vinay Gupta, video, 2021-09-29, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [762], https://guptaoption.com/texts/762.md.

Other speakers' passages are removed, so there can be gaps.

## Passages, part 2 of 2
[45:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=2745s) um it worsens the soil a lot of really bad consequences they switched to regenerative forestry practices so kind of growing acai and things like that and selling at markets they ended up making five times as much money so with with a switch like that there's not really a question of like you know how is this money being spent how is it being done the right way because you kind of intuitively grasp that the farmers are choosing to do this themselves because they think they can make more money in the market that way so I just want to share that as a perspective as well in terms of maybe ways that can help us avoid some of the fuzz where there are very clear kind of Market benefits to a certain type of regenerative switch um where simply you know they can make more from the land by doing it that way or they can sell those types of goods for more than they would otherwise I don't know if you guys agree with me I don't know if that addresses some of the concerns bought out but you know if I it it seems a little bit less leaky to me in some ways yeah I mean the the weekly side of this there is no way of making this stuff tight yet right the objective here is not to run the system of zero weeks it's just to push so much money down this don't matter um because we are in a position where we need very fast action like we really need things quickly and actually cutting carbon emissions is very very hard right if you think about putting solar panels on and insulating your house you know that might take 10 or 20 off your carbon emissions um you know you upgrade your car to an electric car you've watched a bicycle that takes off another 10 or 20. you go vegan that takes stuff another 10 percent you know by the time you've halved your carbon emission you've spent basically two years and forty thousand dollars going through a whole bunch of different steps to try and get that done because it's just a hard to emit less Carbon on the other hand you know you go to a website you say right I'm gonna figure out what my emissions are then I'm going to offset my emissions I'm going to assume that there's a 30 fraud rate in this system so I'm going to buy 30 extra you pay 600 and you're done for that year

[48:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=2895s) and it's not that the offset system perfect right it's not that you get exactly that number of amount of carbon is offset it's not that nobody repair you rip you off it's that we literally just put so much money down those pipes you know six hundred dollars a year multiplied by 200 million people pretty soon you're talking about money and all of that money is going to go into regeneration it's going to go high Met project it's going to go into forestry uh and I'm not saying that to the last step we should take but it's the immediate first like everybody on this call could go and calculate their CO2 and buy the offsets literally everything on this call could have done it tomorrow morning and then you could tell your friends do it and if 10 million people do that we've got a trillion dollars going into reducing carbon emissions and that's a trillion dollars which is not being spent by governments it's not being spent by ngos it's not being spent by the UN you know nobody's currently putting that kind of money behind managing carbon we could do it as individuals we still get that done it's entirely possible I think I think it's a great idea and um it makes me think about how or the potential to encourage other people who aren't really tapped into this idea to to kind of maybe you know offset their carbon credits and I've seen some things like in the UK in particular things such as like Extinction rebellion and how they have gone about um promoting climate change it gets a lot of eyes onto it but it's a scary way to kind of try and promote this message because it's causing a lot of friction in fact with you know the ma the mass public and if you want people to get onto that uh onto the narrative that we should be offsetting our carbon emissions I think that's not necessarily the right way to go about it so like my question to you would be how can we encourage more people to kind of you know do this type of thing past just our friends and stuff like that I don't know how we can do it so the first thing is that we all have to right you know nothing convinces other people these kind of things like do it so step one you do it for you

[50:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3045s) you know Mattereum does it for all the nfts that we issue shortly we're going to do it for you know some estimate of the environmental footprint of things like our laptop purchases yeah and we're just going to start offsetting everything that we do a step at a time um we might even set up some kind of you know staff pool where we offer all the people that are working for us and we do that both for their work commissions and also for the best okay and that kind of might cost us one percent of the company's uh budget a year I think we can manage that right we're not gonna we're gonna deliver by based on one percent um and once that's done we document how we did it and then we tell other people the same it's not that hard it's not even that expensive it will cost you one percent okay yeah you know it's not rocket surgery to get started as for how we get everybody else to come along with us that's basically going to be a combination of marketing and crisis yeah and something like a third of Americans last year were affected by a climate disaster between the people that smoked out the people that got set on fire the people flooded or hit by unseasonable storms that was a third of Americans so climate up close last year um so so you know like that sort of stuff you don't have to have action to persuade people that there is a problem is there any appetite or minting a whole series of nfts that speak directly to this problem where on every transaction there is a set fee that goes into this fight so that people like me can say yes I bought that nft I know 30 of my transaction cost went over to this other thing it's now attached to my zero X address so I can be proud of it and it's already part of the workflow that I'm already in which is trying to engage in web 3 activity as much as possible is that something that sounds like it's possible where the money would go into marketing collection of nfts that capture sure I mean you know Loop right back we could easily knock up we could easily knock up some nfts like we could easily knock up some nfts like here's an nft for 30 tons of carbon and if you buy this nft you're offset for a

[53:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3195s) year that would be hard to do well it would be like what has already been spoken of about how do we know that that money if I then go buy that nft that that money is going to the place that will get the best result of offsetting carbon which is the mission in the first place sure so I mean with that um you know what Mattereum does is we attach legal rights with very strong guarantees to nfts you know that's what we do for a living um so given that's what you do for a living it wouldn't be that hard for us to basically get a set of proofs in place they gave a nice strong demonstration of like yeah this is an actual NF carbon behind that you know it's not and that's what I would say that will work because your name is attached to reliable resources the people that really care about this so I would feel comfortable spending you know trying to calculate my family's carbon offset and then saying for sure I'm going to go to vinay's website Mattereum and I'm going to buy mine from there because that collection of nfts I believe that they have the credibility to pull it off yeah yeah and I mean it's not just a case of credibility it's that we've got an actual method for demonstrating how we're solving the problem you know like if you go and look at that gold a minute ago bring that up again you know here's an nft for a gold bar with carbon offsets baked into it and you know we're not seeing hey just trust us on this you know we're stepping through this very very very careful one piece at a time and go ahead alerted me to it I said oh very cool unfortunately I had article gold but if if it was something now replace gold in that same thing you created for according offset I'll buy that in Ft I just don't want anybody shipping any gold in my house I mean that's a little simple right we could very easily do an nft that was like one human being's worth of carbon offsets yeah I know I mean I I I'm just gonna I'm gonna get off this call I'm gonna write an email to my say right you know Mattereum you should just shoot half an nfts which are one individual's worth of

[55:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3345s) carbon offset and we'll sell them at this price boom boom yeah but put put a good artist on it though I would say if there's an opportunity to even like run a little quick little thing and go hey we're gonna open it for 30 days we want some good artwork because we're going to now attach this to this thing that people like me I like I like going into my Xerox wallet and seeing my popes or my nfts that I that I you know collected so I'd love to have one for Mattereum that said yes Scott you did your part which is I gave a hundred dollars to this thing and I got a cool looking nft not just some text file I think we can do something better with it that's nice I like that uh dude well does anybody know artists there's one on the call right now that I know they do a lot of great art okay um I'm just dropping my email address there hey I just told you we'll address into town hall dump if anybody wants to actively can pursue this and maybe give us how they are for doing this um a drop in an email um and you know we would basically I mean the easiest way of doing it is that the artist is absolutely the person that's issuing the nft and we're just providing the carbon to backup that's probably the easiest way to do it not inherently difficult right right just the seal of approval that says if we embark on this and mint some of these it has the materials seal of approval will run the contest I guess it's like I bought some seeds I'll throw a hundred dollars in seeds into the art contest or 500 if we need to open it for 30 days and then let's experiment with that because this group you're speaking to vinay we're actively kind of doing that within our own Guild which is minting nfts and distributing to ourselves but if we have sort of a parent like you or something that goes as long as you guys are fighting the good fight or trying to offset carbon then we can start to experiment with what that asset would look like knowing that if I meant it I'm a Nobody But if you but if you kind of approve it and then you tweet it out all of a sudden now there can be some momentum behind it because now we're issuing this thing that the money is somehow going to the right smart contract and you're putting it into play wherever that needs to go yeah you have a reasonable belief that we are you know going to make sensible decisions that we're going to do everything you know in and us if possible risk stuff explicitly

[58:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3495s) huh yeah yeah we could totally do that that is that is not a difficult it has maybe one more question yeah yeah sure uh so how do we make it easier that the whole world can share the same data and act upon it presuming that every nation has their own role in affecting the climate change right so the solutions shouldn't be the same for each nation and when you have things like that and obviously politics get involved so how do we kind of make it easily accessible easily processable so how do we process the data we have to act upon the data and how do we make sure that one nation is not [ __ ] another um I have no idea you know Nations [ __ ] each other has been around for a long time and I don't think we have an effect for that um documenting the hell out of what's happened how can get rid of some classes uses but not others so we've got to think about this as being a very you know it has to be like we solve the problems we can't solve but it's not like the blockchain is going to start sending peacekeepers to disasters or go there and make sure the barn being screwed by the you you know right I'm literally writing you an email letting you know that I'd be happy to be one of those verification of people I'm I'm nomadic and a permaculturist that's what I do fantastic can if you want so let's we just turn up and actually look at people's Farms to show them how much they can earn from it are the farmers that's paid on an ongoing basis or are they paid a lump sum like at the beginning or is it both like to get started and to keep going I don't know exactly how the Nori stuff has worked on the back end you know I see the certificates I've seen the methodology I've met them I've talked to them

[1:00:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3645s) thing uh I am not a specialist at exactly how you kind of carbon copter stuff and it's a chain of trust right you guys think I know what I'm doing I think know what they're doing I'd rather perks it's broadly in keeping with the industry Norms I'm willing to underwrite the risk that Nori are screwing us and that's what we do in the asset passport we literally say if Nori have screwed this up Mattereum will pay for buying more carbon credits and that's how we handle the risk we turn the risk into risk and then we we turn the risk into warranty and then if we fail to deliver already fails to deliver then we have to we have to go to buy more what do you think about the how is it I'm of the opinion that we're kind of in the age of prophets now where a lot of times people would do things as long as they're profit in a sense so what I'm thinking is I'm not sure is that is the way to go but it certainly is like a way to incentivize and make things move but but what will be the implications far down the line because you cannot always offer a better incentive but uh if there was a way for people to make money on these things then my guess is they would be doing it right but obviously it's more profitable to do other things well the farmers are making money doing this right yeah you know they're being paid to do this carbon stuff they're not the only people being paid to do the carbon stuff nor you're being able to do the carbon tough um you know we are the customers for offsets and you're the customers for offsets and if they invite offsets that doesn't seem unreasonable unjust that seems just right it is reasonably it uh but water on the other side so if farmers are considered those who are doing things then people who put their money there could be considered as let's say

[1:03:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3795s) investors of sort customers right yeah I mean it would be nice if everybody was happy with just having the label that you're a carbon officer right right what if there was a step above that then maybe more people would do it well nobody likes being a taxpayer either but that's kind of what it comes down to right is that it's fulfilling your responsibility to society of responsibility right I don't think I guess you're trying to make up for the expenses of your life like what everyone else has to pay for your existence will are you paying it back are you giving it back to the world and it's just a way to quantify right a human being is doing x amount of damage the CO2 emissions so here's what we do to undo what you've done a paper road that we all need or tank that we need you're you're speaking of it uh it may sound a little bit on the like incentivization structure but I think um eventually you know it's pretty clear that all the world powers are going to charge for our carbon emissions and therefore it's not incentivation incentivization that is going to promote this it's going to be uh savings that actually promotes this it'll be a second yeah you're going to pay these carbon taxes regardless at some point um because they're going you know that's going to be the new tax yeah and there are some clever things you could there's a hybrid basic income approach where you charge a carbon tax and then 100 of the carbon tax is distributed to the people yeah so have you looked into the way the energy web chain is doing something similar I've taken a look at energy web um they're a lot more focused on the energy side we're a little more focused on the tough side uh but yeah it's all coming from very much the same fundamental understanding in the world and then really should take in our own

[1:05:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=3945s) bits of that Pub yeah and they're utilizing two different carbon credits rather than just one so one is a basic carbon credit but the other is a premium so a basic carbon credit would be like I I walked today instead of utilizing gas in a vehicle but a premium would be um you know I I utilized solar power or wind power to do this or that yeah I see I see um I mean our I I think at this point sounds weird but you know there are I have numbers to back it up so uh for most people actively like a reasonable gas at sustainable levels of CO2 emissions is two tons per person per year average Europeans are about six tons Germans are about 12 and the only reason that Europeans are getting down to about six tons is huge amounts of nuclear power Americans are about 16 tons and the professional class in America and in Europe tend to run kind of 30 to 70 or maybe 100 tons so in terms of changing behavior for most of us the behavioral change is necessary carbon are Unthinkable on the given current technology base right it's just very very hard to get there um and you know this is particularly true you think about like if you live in Scandinavia you know unless your house is heated energy equal to what Lamar you just have a certain amount of permissions often or you're gonna freeze the death and it's pretty much not simple you know you can't really fix that problem um the houses were all super well insulated but you still need energy so for most of the people that are in the high burn life there is not a lot that they can do to do more than say half their emissions if they have a little bit of a struggle and they stop for stoppy they might be able to get their mission off but it's a lot of Lifestyle transfer work on the other hand if you take the offset route a bunch of professionals go out on the other side of the world and they

[1:08:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4095s) quite a ton of forests and it changes everything about the land Works in terms of soaking up carbon rather than hitting it and it's like well that seemed pretty easy um so the idea that we are going to do this by having like a mass mobilization of professional carbon managers rather than make every Jewel's problem I don't know whether it will work but I know that we're going to wind up with a professionalization of carbon capture as a necessity in almost any scenario you know there's no way that we're going to get through this just by getting people to have lower emissions there's no way we're going to get just by having two Energy Systems probably what we do is you know some new Energy Systems some professionalization of footprint management you know um some uh just large scale damage because enough consequences gonna be uh it's not that we've got our solution that we have to be stuff the scale like I think Germany Southern Scandinavia but essentially maybe the incentivization I said before but it's becoming more and more profitable for them to not drive Motor Vehicles by electric vehicles because of the carbon taxes absolutely yeah so that's perfect for those people who deal with those things right but uh the contrast let's say in these areas here uh I'm in Croatia but if they really make it hard for you to utilize solar energy and move yourself from the grid although we do have a massive amounts of sunny days over 200 and some islands over 300 sunny days a year yeah people are very afraid of people leaving the grid you know like the the um the governments are still in a position where they've got lots of climate and that's bad you know that's not where we should be I guess we need politicians well the thing about the carbon credit approach is it's not perfect but also we

[1:10:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4245s) don't have to ask anybody's permission right if we've got hundreds of millions of people who are offsetting or 100 of their missions of carbon credits once we've got that done we could go on to the next and it's a step at a time right it's a Concrete action we can take you get organized we do that thing after everybody's done that we do the next you know hey everybody we're going to move off ethereum we're on to a zero carbon chain or we're gonna make sure that we're offsetting 100 of our theory of emissions and you know you just go through and you take the actions you and some of that is direct from the atmosphere is good but some of it is also the signals willing for people to actually commit to a course of action full of makeover Productions and that signals to companies and to other individuals under the government serious and we're ready to start doing things now and the governments and the big corporations and the individuals around us they all need a signal we are ready to actually start action I don't know I'm going to stop and have some dinner because I've got some more calls today rude lovely talking to everyone thank you for coming thanks a lot thank you thank you and uh yeah send me some emails uh let's get some answers strangled up and we will um bang out some nfts that you can buy to offset your emissions for an average I love what you're doing lfg that's a really good thought the VIP should have done carbon offset rather than deflation that's a really good idea yeah they kind of missed the opportunity calculator into the minting process so that you could say like hey I drive two SUVs my house is four thousand square feet maybe I've been extra would you just buy more of them for most people um you're rather than trying to calculate it precise you know you make a kind of upper estimate and you are a third to that and okay you're spending a little too much money buying carbon officers but I'd rather see a norm where we spend too much money carbon carbon offsets and we just kind of ballpark that then where we try and get exact calculations and stay within calculate

[1:13:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4395s) you know in the Roe stages we ought to force the ignorance because that scales whereas the carbon calculators are a pain in the ass to use and most people will not sit down and do a carbon calculator you know it's really just like either you're a superproof vegan and your missions are you know 10 tons or five tons or you're doing all right and you have a big place and you live in a country and you drive a car and at that point your emissions are 15 Tons you know it's like right like like you could have the regular and then the light and then the XL but like most people are going to get the regulated the XL is like you know you've got family you've got some total got dog two cars oh yeah I need the big one and that an approach like I could just get by like you know bicycle hippie or regular middle class engineer or large family there's your three things you know ding ding ding by the one that fits you off you go yeah um because I think that the carbon calculator it's only going to work if you build it into the credit cards or national taxation systems or the blockchain itself if people have to manually calculate that too Easter said support event the nft is based on three categories or whatever I'm a low user and I'm gonna buy you a low user credit I'm a high user but I support it I'd like to like turn off my air conditioning a little bit more often and do less miles on the road and airplane flights but that way I would just be getting the nft that spoke to me as long as we're getting people contributing to the system that's all we can ask for at least at this stage of the game by an nft somebody's going to marry them I agreed that is a great thing um this is uh necessary staff right it's a necessary step yeah this is also allowing a an open doorway into an issue that I've run into with you know I I do consultations for people on how to become more self-sustainable

[1:15:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4545s) regenerative regenerative practices for their farms and all that and something that a uh barrier that I run into a lot is the local municipalities laws on on building or on collecting water or anything like that and going in and changing you know local city code is pretty difficult you've got to have a lot of documentation but the main thing what it comes down to is a lot of these more regenerative practices take away from the government's pocketbook and being that this is already taxed that would have an open doorway to say hey um you know I think you know mud homes should be able to be built and here's why this is what we save but this is how much you can make off of it on top of it so they don't lose their Financial incentive to stay unsustainable I've um I've just dropped you a link to a short story that I wrote about 2006. I think they published in maybe 2010. um and uh it sort of breaks down exactly that problem right like the governments are very very slow we have to get involved in politics fixes um the systemic fix has been changing things like building is a hard hard job this is why I've come to the conclusion that off debt to go for now specifically because those systemic changes are still hard I started out in the systemic chain um have you guys all come across this thing simple critical infrastructure yeah nope so back in the day I was a failed steak a word on failed States for the Pentagon and a couple other places um and I built a critical infrastructure modeling which called dealing insecurity which gives you a set of maps for understanding what your kind of infrastructure want what looks like and what your exposure is so the long run plan for Mattereum is to build these things we call Asset passports for all of the core stuff that people use to survive like their houses their cars their water supply system solar panels and from that we could be calculation show

[1:18:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4695s) not only um what people's carbon consumption is but also about the resilience situation is relative um and all of this is part of this long-term approach because if you build like um there's a language called saml so if you build a systeml model of something like a solar regular you can then say am I going to generate an energy from this solar panel that I've got to be able to get through a winter if National Grid shuts down you know and then you know we could also calculate like making those solar power so you could figure out what like do you need to buy carbon offsets solar panels um so this sort of systemic modeling approach is really fundamental and can I drag images in there or only see how we get an image and anyway that second link fragile uh there's some modeling stuff there so you know in the long run you can imagine building very detailed digital models all the physical stuff in society in a way that gives us a really comprehensive detailed view of you know what our footprint is and it can show us alternate ways of rearranging our white infrastructure so that we get the kind of carbon uh yeah the resilience Maps if uh just Bullock if you're still in here check that out I think you'd be interested yeah it's a very good piece of technology that's one of the best things I've done yeah um it's a serious piece of equipment um all right um I'm gonna wrap it uh get in contact um bum and send me some emails about

[1:20:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI0_aopeSaI&t=4845s) actually getting organized and getting some of these things set tles good thank you very much and definitely will follow up with the CO2 energy and um who's that that was talking a few minutes ago about having the kind of three tiers and all the rest of that kind of stuff uh 10 Infinity yeah so um you know like I don't know what their involvement is but if they want to be like project managing on your side it sounds like they've got a really good idea about so maybe maybe uh he should be our kind of custom let's do that all right well thank you very much for having me have fun take care and um enjoy productive thank you yeah this was fun much longer than expected

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End of [762] MetaGame meets Vinay Gupta, part 2 of 2. Its connections are at the top of this file; the map is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt.
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