# #3 Vinay Gupta, Indexing the physical world (part 3 of 3)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [758], part 3 of 3. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2019-10-08 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the law step (Mattereum, 2017), before the great powers step (Multipolar Realpolitik, 2024).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Access-not-ownership economy that suits resource-light settlements.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - Cypherpunks (1992): Cypherpunk practice in the 1990s: cryptography as a political technology.
  - William Shatner collectibles with Mattereum (2019): Mattereum partnership with William Shatner giving memorabilia legally backed digital twins against fraud,...
  - Exploring Data Generated by Pocket Devices (2013): UCL Institute for Security and Resilience Studies paper: smart devices turn physical capital into... (suggested by machine)
  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
  - ConsenSys (2015): Strategic architect at ConsenSys after the Ethereum launch. (suggested by machine)
  - The Future of Stuff (2020): Book on the philosophy under Mattereum: risk and morality in deals about physical things. (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - CheapID to Mattereum: One identity pattern, from a person's ID card in 2006 to warranties on physical goods in 2017.
  - cryptographic applications: Cryptography applied: from 1990s cypherpunk practice to identity cards, Ethereum and Mattereum.
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - environment / green capitalism: Green economics: from oil efficiency to markets for facts about products. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - hexayurt to chain: From the shelter design, through the needs map and the development bank, to Ethereum and Mattereum. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - rich data capitalism: Cheap information changes what a market can carry: price signals hold only a few bits (2013), blockchains cut... (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Information markets — universal registers and digital twins (59%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: digital twin (10 here; 12 sources in all, earliest dated 2017); interoperability (8 here; 17 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); Shatner (9 here; 35 sources in all, earliest dated 2014, 1 undated); William Shatner (7 here; 32 sources in all, earliest dated 2019, 1 undated); NFT (6 here; 45 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); second-hand (3 here; 15 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); collectibles (4 here; 27 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); commodities (5 here; 38 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); ICO (4 here; 32 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); IPFS (2 here; 13 sources in all, earliest dated 2014)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): NFT; foreign direct investment
- Importance: core-text score 0.39 (1.00 is the top), number 170 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [565] [Coin Telegraph AMA with Mattereum's Vinay Gupta 14th... (2023)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/565.md): same career work: William Shatner collectibles with Mattereum
  - [684] [DEVCON1: Dangerous Old Men: Cypherpunk's Failure,... (2016)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/684.md): same career work: Cypherpunks
- On the same works, just before: [752] [Vinay Gupta: The Cities That Will Walk Away (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/752.md); [165] [The Mattereum Manifesto: green capitalism, product... (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/165.md); [254] [Vinay Talk Amsterdam October 2019 (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/254.md)
- On the same works, just after: [252] [Vinay Gupta / Mattereum Manifesto keynote at the London... (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/252.md); [253] [Goldsmiths talk on life extension and fluid language (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/253.md); [777] [CCForum London 2019/Vinay Gupta. Blockhain and the... (2019)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/777.md)

## Reading it

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Cite as: #3 Vinay Gupta, Indexing the physical world, video, 2019-10-08, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [758], https://guptaoption.com/texts/758.md.

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## Passages, part 3 of 3
[1:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=4500s) without actually understanding use and and that I think to some degree that feels like a kind of natural progression from this massive trial and error that we're doing but in terms of you know coming back to the subject of waste there's a there's a lot there's a lot of spent hours here trying to trying to piece these pieces of the puzzle together in various new ways whilst ignoring the fact that actually there aren't that many people who are trying to use them but I feel eventually we will yeah this is the homebrew Computer Club thing you know if you think of it as early days a web it's something going well if you think of it's the late days of the home computer crowd the homebrew Computer Club rattle doing all right um but I mean you know so much of this is you I you know it really is and I'm you know here at here is the great tragedy right we still have a pervasive understanding in the blockchain space that what this is all about is banking right you know central bank of the Internet is called Bitcoin Ethereum is like the progressive central bank of the internet you know the People's Republic on Central Bank the internet wherever is all of these other systems come up that are all basically rooted in the central bank of the internet thing because people are not thinking of this as being a computational harness right so I used to use the term distributed distributed distributed heterogeneous metacomputer right and you know to that you need to add some word indicating that not all of its owned by the same people because heterogeneous don't move means hardware doctors ownership and still people are interested in what these systems do rather than what these systems are right and in this sense I'm kind of an Internet loyalists rather than blockchain loyalists and even deeper than that of a parallel computing loyalist right I mean I cut my teeth on em you know transputers and command parallel should be processing and add the you know concurrent sequential processes and all the rest of that modeling that stuff went into my brain before I won't see you know I was super steeped in parallel computing stuff at an odd kind of research level and I was still a teenager and you know but all I had at home was a BBC micro right there was a BBC micros stack of books on supercomputer design which kind of explains a lot and coming from that perspective it's obvious that the

[1:17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=4650s) blockchain is a seed of something which eventually assembles all the world's computing power into a single utilitarian platform and you use that single utilitarian platform from model in the world down to every freaking tree so that we know when things are going wrong and we stop them and you know people will scream overall but the surveillance society in the privacy dollar has that stuff you just need to build the architecture of the cryptography so that the rules can't be changed unless everybody that matters degrees super majority right and as long as you follow the rules you're invisible and anonymous right how hard is this right we shouldn't be gathering any information when people walk through a train station unless they don't pay their fare right then you won't be able say here was this guy but if they walk through and they pay their fare in the wind and they check their card on the way out they don't lose anything you know drop their backpack on the way and then you have to get it back to them if there's no reason to no there should be no knowledge and we've got the math to do that yes well we also need to create the open source systems that can can not care because when you put shareholders behind these systems shareholders care if you can turn that information into money yeah so we need a system whereby it there is no imperative to terms and from this you know huge river of you know behavioral surplus into a data that will then create predictions on what we will buy when when we're feeling happy or when we're feeling sad and to do that we need systems that are I kind of designed and owned by the people hmm rather than rather than a single entity and this is exactly what should have come out of the I SEOs right if the ICS had worked really should have worked we should have wound up with you know the next Facebook that started with a hundred thousand shareholders and that hundred thousand shareholders would continue to be a representative sample of users and they would have political control the platform in the long run but I think that still may happen but we need the we need the storage and the throughput and you know all of all of that stuff homebrew Computer Club we thought we were in the 90s were actually in the 70s point taken now it's also it's such a long haul it's such a long haul everything takes forever yeah I mean the thing that brought me back into computer

[1:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=4800s) science was a go right the you know the go programming language so the only bit of computing that I was really interested in was parallel computing right you know programming one processor it solves a lot of problems yeah right the thing isolated by was you know high-end parallelism and how you connected huge numbers of little processes to solve big problems complexity theory artificial life you know some tavar connectors there is this whole swirl of complicated stuff about getting lots and lots and lots of little pieces to connect together do things and interesting ways and that was what I was interested in computer science that whole model Washington completely after the the web was invented and for 20 years all we really did was coarse grained parallelism task firm and that just bored the crap out of me it was just not cool and you know I spent a lot of that time in energy policy and you know better address then go get truest by Google and Google you know go implements concurrent sequential processes which is of course the parallel mo was a model which was finding things for transputers right and transputers were the great british shot at taking over the global parallel computing industry in the late 1980s early 1990s we had by far the world's best supercomputer architecture and we just couldn't pump enough capital into it for it to become the global standard absolutely tragic and those guys are still round I think now the company is called x-mas XM OS so I came around to this whole transputer you know I came back to computer science when Google released go specifically because I had a decent implementation with CSB and I spent a good while monkeying around without and building little systems and you know kind of playing with that and then I took some web work that involved cryptography and databases that brought my crypto stuff back up to speed then I you know six months after that joined Ethereum but the you know the binding interest for me is if we've got hundreds of millions of machines how do we get hundreds of machine millions of machines worth of computing benefit so we've solved one problem which is we figured out how to turn computer power into unification of agency among rival recyclers which is essentially the mining paradigm right now we've got figure out how to maintain that unity of effort without unity of command armed make it go 100 million transactions a

[1:22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=4950s) second proper computer science needs to get done and when the appropriate computer science is done we have a stable permanent computing platform that will probably last for literally the rest of humanity until we go off onto other planets and then we probably need one instantiation of that per planet because the delay is so long between the planets you can't keep things synchronized hey well well well have we'll probably have to leave leave exploration of planets to the next the next book the next version I mean I PS ipfs is the interplanetary file system because ipfs actually takes a crack at this problem right we are already planning for the far future as we shared by the way material is how you run Bart bass it's the physical operating system from our space right it's how you make sure that when you need a 10 millimeter wrench to AH you know you seal up the bolts on the thing that you've just done maintenance on you have the wrench right because every piece of matter is gonna have to be indexed on something like a Mars base you're going to need to be able to track every physical asset you have because you never look when you're gonna have to do a sudden emergency reorganization of your physical assets to solve some critical need well then AI entirely trust you to be what trying to work out how it is we're going to survive on Mars that that totally fits into what we should be doing and we sort out the refugee thing here right the hexayurt process conceptually is almost completely right you know start over the house then we figured out the infrastructure mapping then we figured out the software to manage the physical assets in the infrastructure map and all this stuff was gonna back of the envelope but we you know once you've solved the conceptual design problem building it then takes 10 years right and you know and now I moves to the way through figuring out how to do access to land which involves special economic zones and zero tariffs exports and you know every time you've got another 10 grand of foreign direct investment into the special economic zone you have to admit one refugee and they then get jobs work in the factory to build with the foreign direct rather so you know and within probably a year or two years of tying a bow on the intellectual heavy lifting around the hexayurt right I gotta figure out mass production of clothing from rolls of cloth in a way that actually works and we've got some really nice work on that that's kind of just ticking along in the background kinda this is what I do put a basically burnt I own material and take

[1:25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5100s) a break and you know sit down for a couple of hours on a Sunday morning like right are we gonna do this so we've got some progress on the clothing side and we need to figure out a little bit more about how you do the finance and for land access to create special economic zones which essentially become what we do with all the people that are being displaced as climate refugees after about the conceptual problem solving around the hexayurt project is done it would have taken about 25 years to from start to finish in terms of the conceptual have you left in um and at that point of course I'm going to do Mars a lot to do and considering we're in 1973 yeah of the Vox will come along as fast as it comes yeah I would we we can't just conjure new computer science into existence we've got an enormous number of smart people thinking about it we just need to keep on keepin on and there is a bit of a race isn't there if he you referenced gen bundle and deep adaptation yeah yeah and and the premise that's it's too late to reverse climate change and we need to prepare for well before what Nitin and Jean extinction all this that'll bleeding I don't believe in human extinction right I used to say to people the loss lawyer will fry the lost cockroach in the fat of the last run you know we're not going extinct we might wish we'd gone extinct but we're not right you know we could easily see a couple of billion people died in a massive capitalist famine or food prices spike and then the purchase get mass starves as a that would be horrible it'd be ten times worse and communism was it's entirely possible it could happen but we're not going to extinct um but you know Mad Max II stuff Australia so for them you know southern parts of the US you just wind up with war systems collapse and boom Mad Max is a war I mean how close are we realistically to that because there's a lot of speculation around it but what's the reality I mean the reality is we don't know right I mean climate scientists vary in their opinions for how soon the crap hits the fan there are structural incentives in the university system to be more rather than less alarmist there are structural incentives in the government system to be less rather than more alarmist you you kind of look at the situation the stuff that would affect the UK is the Gulf Stream as stopping pushing its it know the Gulf

[1:27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5250s) Stream what is it called the North Atlantic conveyor thermohaline career something that so the thing that brings all the hot water up to the UK and gives us a temperate climate because we've got the same latitude is basically Moscow right so the thing that's bringing all the hot water up to us is gradually slowing down and because that's a circulation pattern inside of an enormous ocean like how good is our science when it comes to fluid dynamics right fluid dynamics aerodynamics complex systems or simulators are not very good right you can't get enough data about you know what the current structure of those currents is and to ruin know right everybody start trying to make predictions about what happens when you stare a cup for tea this is really really hard science it's very unpredictable but nonetheless it does look like those conveyors are slowing down and just as with anything that involves liquid flowing down a path once it changes to the new path it will be stable in the new path and it might stay there forever or for centuries so we could get dumped it into a claimant who like Moscow five years 10 years 15 years 20 years never tomorrow we don't really know similar we remember that whole kind of Arctic was the the the Arctic void or something that dropped over Chicago lost here oh yeah listen to remember that was constant remember it happening I can't remember the exact phrase for it for Texas yeah artists for taste minus 60 with wind chill right I mean I was in Chicago recently talking to people that had been there and they were just like yeah the news said don't go outside for 48 hours and remember there was this crazy movie about you know like suddenly the whole world becomes I laughs the last something yeah yeah right but people getting frozen in froze it is so yeah and you know the Arctic vortex was like the real world equivalent of thaw right it's as close as you're going to get in the real world but there was a period when Chicago suddenly became so cold and it turns out that looks like it was caused by the Jetstream becoming unstable so normally the Jetstream keeps the arctic air in the Arctic and then the temperate belt is temperate the Jetstream becomes unstable the suddenly gets lobs of arctic air you know going across Canada intruding into the u.s. and that's how your pour over taxes you know whoa that's not okay so it's pretty clear the systems are becoming unstable agriculture you know

[1:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5400s) that water table thing and the soil depletion Larissa that's rolling right along deforestation no breeze friend really nobody's friend very smart people worry about deforestation almost as much the climate change several the really climate scientists it's like looking feeling this is bad if you keep chopping around the trees eventually the whole system flips it's not just eat it's not just a question there on a carbon in the atmosphere so you know this is the this is the hard part right if it breaks in a way where you can spend your way out of trouble we'll be fine right suddenly there's a massive farm and global food system breaks down hundreds of millions people die before we get organized to make sure that they stay fed in the process it turns out that we could reorganize the world but it'd be incredibly expensive and we start read every military budget monitored climate right if that's the scenario we'll be fine because once the threat is so big and so visible and so clear and so horrible that we can divert military money a fun day we're not short military bunny and what we'll wind up with this climate pork rather than defense pork and the political corruption in America will go on unchanged it would just be a new kind of pork everything is fine where we will get hammered if it turns into a problem we can't spend our way out of because if we can't spend our way out of it because the climate flips and then we're screwed we are screwed but I think it's ninety percent likely that what we will get is horrific humanitarian impacts while it is early enough that we can spend our way out with the problem so what you'll get is massive die-offs weird climate total terror the world will freak out and you get some combination of geoengineering genetic engineering improved agricultural practices meat tax Queen Bee coming in without the meat tax cuz it doesn't vary you know and you just wind up with kind of wartime mobilization will reorganize and we'll figure out but my guess is got one hundred million people have to die before we do that or you'll get some event like a failed harvest in America because you get like the polar vortex in the middle of summer but my belief and I think this is increasingly optimistic rather than realistic ten years ago I said it was pessimistic now I would say it's optimistic relative to the data my belief is that there is still a pretty damn good chance that we will get hit really really hard but not critically injured are only enough to change our ways right but this is the question right if we get a good smack in the head

[1:32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5550s) and we reorient before we get crushed great if the first thing that happens is we get crushed not so good well cut currently we're in the process of ridiculing a 15 year old kid so we've still got some way to go right well I mean she did make it pretty clear you know in the first words out of her mouth at the UN were we are watching you right and if that's where she is now if nothing's gotten done in five years um I think it will be guillotine time right because you know when the youth realize just how badly they've been betrayed by the old they're not gonna live able to hang on to power and the youth of all the energy and all the enthusiasm and taint you know when the youth get really jammed up against the wall they tend towards machete based solutions right and we've seen that happen over and over and over again for centuries when the youth are so badly screwed that they can't live normal lives they kill the people in the way French Revolution American Revolution you know those ones probably can essaouira when okay right not so well in China not so well in Russia on the other hand compared to what they had before their revolutions in China and Russia and maybe not such a bad deal - Stalin and Mao right but you know there's a you know it's a there's no situation in which you got a war between the young and the old and the old wind right if the young people feel like their kids are permanently in danger because of the actions of a bunch of irresponsible goons with the Royal plants they'll burn that down to the ground there's again another bit of a race fares in there with against surveillance capitalism and keeping freedom so that the young can actually interact without absolutely everything being logged and no and it doesn't matter how much has walked on how much is known because when the people have had enough that people thought it off and they really do just Massacre their leadership I mean if you think about how little political capital the office of the president has in the u.s. right now right I mean how little does mainstream America really respect the office of the president right the right wing thought that Obama was a total goon and why the hell did they let that con man into the White House the left wing we could Trump and her just like you know you could have picked somebody worse if you'd really tried actually no you could right so the office of the president sinks further and further and further into disrespect and it sinks further and

[1:35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5700s) further and further away from being a uniting figure to being a dividing one the office of the president is in itself in danger right doesn't matter who's in the chair that individual will come and go but the actual chair is in danger right and that's also true here right you know if you think about the total breaking of faith in Parliament and the Prime Minister the Queen is an institution nobody thinks the relationship between the Queen the Prime Minister and Parliament is okay right now and that's the core of Britain's so-called unwritten Constitution is the fact that those people keep their trouble sufficiently contained the public doesn't have to realize it's a free-for-all but we just started to notice it's a free-for-all you're telling us you're gonna get 10% cut in GDP if this thing blows oh okay then 10% cut in GDP right 10% gotten GDP we can't survive that culturally right that's like heads will roll right and by the way you know whoever those people are the own like 25 percent of UK's wonda never pay any tax on it you know all that stuff is gonna go in the washing like where's the Land Registry so who actually does own the country we don't really know well I think it's time to find out we don't know who registers it belongs to the crown as of two years from now get moving right all of that kind of stuff will get washed out because the compromises would have allowed us to live with the aristocracy we'll go away right in the same with an America the compromises which have allowed them to live with the political corruption of the war machine will go away and at that point you get sort of revolutionary conditions and either you get an electoral revolution or you elect a radical party and the bureaucracy actually supports them in making change or you will get a brand achill breaking of the Constitution America breaks up into four to seven separate countries and those always establish themselves as different parts of the American founders vision and then almost inevitably re Ferrer ate a house you go from having 52 states to having like seven or eight estates 51 50 how many states that go but I think that you know all of this stuff is it's advancing extremely rapidly because the thing that you're really watching for here and I think this is not widely understood is when people believe that they are doomed the nihilism is what produces radical change right when people really get the feeling that the the existing system will not serve them and they're better taking

[1:37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=5850s) their chances on anything other than this that's when they get out the pitchforks and if you're 22 or 23 and you're thinking about you know maybe I should get married one day and have kids and you've got Greta just being like excuse me the UN has completely screwed our generation and our kids are gonna wind up farming on sound we have a real problem here that point where you're like hey their unwillingness to do something about this climate thing is interfering in my ability to make upon I like for my future children I think I'm really angry about this but thought force begins to get into play that's when you really see the breakage of fundamental political systems and frankly all of our political systems are pre-industrial they're all designed for organizing feudalism we don't have a single political engine on the planet that was designed for mana far from managing an industrial economy never made a high-tech post-industrial economy so the idea that we might have to burn down the existing systems to the ground and then build something fit for a purpose is it really that much of a surprise you know feudalism lasted into industrialization industrial concepts have we shaped the post-industrial period but we can't be in a position where post the post-industrial period is being largely molded by feudalism but one generation of lag is unfortunate two generations of lag is incompetent I think there's a ton of ADD kind of like you know Mike when you got a mudslide you know the lot of the line gets more and more and more waterlogged and then one day the whole thing just slides I think we're at that point with the basic compromises on which our societies operate and the hope is that that is you know handled through you know dem a victory of you know new populist leadership that actually have their game together right I mean you know imagine the this is this is a bit of an a site but it's worth doing proper from there to do it at all so part of the problem is that the leadership for that we have are all really really really old right amount if you had politicians ten years younger than Obama in the White House right doesn't matter whether the Republicans or Democrats but if you have a president who's four eight three you're going to get a completely different universe than having a president who's 73 right same thing in the UK you know Johnson is relatively young but he's also really kind of an idiot right imagine if we had somebody that was desperately competent

[1:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6000s) running the UK in a crisis mode and once the crisis is bad enough that's when you break the existing political compromises around things like fraud at the Pentagon or the enormous exploitation by the landowners in the UK of the peasants right I mean you know my people were pushed off their land in Scotland three hundred years ago the Highland Clearances and the blue one was peasant nomads ever since that sort of stuff is no joke in the UK so all of those political compromises could wash out once the situation is bleak enough that people are like anything but this and I think that if you are a young and imagining having kids in the world that we seem to be creating anything but this is becoming the thing that you're gonna vote for and you got a March friend you're gonna fight for it you're gonna raise hell for it but the end of the day the choice is either the ballot box and the gun and we are not remotely done exploring the ballot box side of this right we don't know who the next leader of the Labour Party will be it's possible the Conservatives will gut themselves or rebuild from scratch and there are lots of potential resolutions inside of electoral politics right you know at 25 does Greta Thornburg run for president of Sweden if she did would she be anything other than a shoo-in and what happens when you've got people with that attitude into that kind of desperate ferocity as heads of state biggest advance the world that will produce the kind of changes that we need in society to fix the structural problems that we've got and all of this blockchain technology and all the internet stuff and all the rest of the Technosphere increases the scope of political options so that when you finally get radical governance they've got the tools that can rapidly unpick this the problems you've got and making new systems or we'll have less problems and that kind of you know deep constitutional reaaargh attacking of how the world works if we didn't have the internet we didn't have the blockchain we didn't have big data and we didn't have all that other machinery if we didn't have mobile phones you couldn't make those changes fast enough because you couldn't reaaargh attacked society at the speed of software but you really could do them right you know we could build the UK's national equivalent of uber we could kick out over we could deal I since the black cabs and we could just have a single unified transportation thing which handles both Freight and commercial boom done overnight rail networks put in the money necessary to fix that end or discussion anybody wants

[1:42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6150s) of well to railroad you've got automatic eminent domain we'll just buy the houses of junk them we're gonna move as much as we can to rail all the rest of that kind of stuff once you get desperate enough to use the power of the state to build a new future the state has all the power and the technology enables you to use the political power to get the results you want mostly we're heading for a time when the general public all the lack those kind of leaders right and if we're lucky they'll elect them if the old guard fight box again fights back against that so successfully that we can alack them that's when you get violin revolution and but I think right now we're still firmly inside to vo act for window both in the u.s. on the UK and in mainland Europe but if the old guard fights back for another two elections I think that that point you begin to see the serious possibility of climate based insurrection so we've got a lot to build so that the new Democratic leadership that are really willing to make the changes to society have the architecture to support those plants we were at an Berlin blockchain week and it very much felt at web three like that was there they need to build this as quick as possible so that it's in place and that was the feeling of the whole conference wasn't it an even Snowden said basically the same thing well you need to hurry up and build this yeah Whitney thank you so much for giving us your thoughts on a myriad of different topics we've touched on a lot of things we've gone deeper than an FTP and yet it all still boils down to you know tell me how much carbon was embodied when they made this pair of shoes hmm yeah that's an NFT question the world is basically made of non fungible things absolutely well thank you so much again fantastic yeah thank you and we'll probably do this again this life I have a feeling that there's more to cover well I mean what's yeah let's see how it was after we get the shot or stuff up and running they'll be a lot more to talk about okay brilliant well we'll do it again when we can pass through what we've said today and and look back in time and see see see where we've come to fantastic okay George that was expansive yep I feel like I've covered a lot of terrain I'm not even sure at this point what we covered it's now two hours later

[1:45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6300s) we're back home and we're gonna have to index our own podcast we do it needs indexing because we lost track of what we covered he's an extraordinary fellow yeah and it was good fun I really enjoy yeah we need to talk about gerbils yep all the wonderful replies that we've had - I see a gerbil we've had a lot more replies this time thank you everyone and they've been really creative they certainly have we're gonna start off with Chris Nunez on Nunes this nians person is very kind of you to send us in it goes a little something like this I see a gerbil anticipating quick success sent his air droppings via urn to every crypto pumper in town claiming his pop consensus proof of poop is an environmental it balances across cages but quickly gained a reputation [Music] I love the proof of poop yeah and and the segue into coin was genius yeah he gets a lot of points well done cringed I honestly thought this was going to be the winner when I read this I thought it couldn't be bettered it couldn't be better like he has nailed it and yet and yes he's not the winner astoundingly so at Jenny C Williams underscore I see a gerbil wrote ICO advisor on her LinkedIn buyer and now she's in 2467 project decks in China she raised over five billion dollars and has no idea of this fact she only recalls advising one project setting the capper 100 million it raised two hundred and four dollars and they still got sued by the SEC a fateful story it's but it happened too many it did and it's a vision of probably what's to come from any projects out there deed yeah thank you very much Jenny chi-chi Gani ICO gerbil made his first $1,000,000 being an ER c20 pioneer he minted 1 million of gerbil coin and sold one of them to FOMO gerbil for $1 he then walked it into gerbil coin classic

[1:47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6450s) gerbil coin gold gerbil coin cash and gerbil coin gerbil bring his net worth to 5 million dollars now an expert in the space an angel VC and a regularly sought after pundit on GNN I see a gerbil proved himself to be a visionary once again by launching an eco-friendly coin gerbil coin connect with the minting algorithm powered by gerbils on treadmills sadly the ill-fated project lost gerbil consensus as badgers quickly discovered they could outrun gerbils 5 2 1 that's just great I really love this one it's cracking I mean jab you know chair balls were going to get out run by badges it's just the perfect ending it was always getting to happens there's always someone stronger out there the heat of the badges get out run by mmm boxes rocks it dear dear hmm by the way we're gonna have to set up GNN in fact if I haven't been done yeah we're gonna have to do it the gerbil newsnet well you don't and dad that the day it's gonna be a separate Twitter account in there in fact if anyone out there wants to set up TNN Twitter to cover cover gerbil news that would be great yeah is it time it is for the winner it's time for the winner I'm gonna Don my eyeliner for this one I'm looking suitably emo have you have you warmed up your singing voice not my singing voice is warm this was inspired inspired and clearly you know you you you thought about this we could probably guess your age based on the time that the song probably came out in the age that you were for it to still be on your mind now it clearly had an impact that's okay you know in various ways it touched us all but it probably means that you're about the same age as us yes indeed mr. Alan Falcon you are our winner well done well done you have produced this Chad was a boy jebel she was a girl job can I make it any more obvious he was the cypherpunk and Karen was her sobriquet what more can I say she wanted him he'd never tell secretly he wanted

[1:50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6600s) her as well but all of his friends stuck up their nose they had a problem with her trendy clothes she was a vsco girl he said see you later girl a games weren't good enough for him his charts promised moon he maintained it was coming soon he needed to come back down to earth five years from now he sits at home clicking on reddit's and he's all alone he checks the front page and what do you know Karen's got an ICO he calls up his friends they've already seen and they've got all the scripts to buy in he gets into joins with the crowd pays the ICO Jerell but he turned down his life yeah yeah you know that's a lesson for all of us there it is it is thank you very much Alan for that yeah that was brilliant we're now going to turn that extraordinary effort into an illustration it's already with our illustrator it is and we've we've had quite a job of coming up with how exactly to illustrate it but I think we've I think we've got it I think so yeah it'll be ok and there's certainly a trend here towards strangeness you say Luke I think say that could because Genesis gerbil was was pretty odd it's a little bit outside of the box and probably not what we were expecting and and to be honest this this one too is similarly I was odd definitely not expecting this but I absolutely love it ok well listen it's gonna make a really interesting and enjoyable collectible and it's been great fun getting all your responses and it's been really good fun to read them out so that brings us neatly on to the next one the next gerbil oh that I see a gerbil incidentally is going to be scarce than Genesis gerbil oh yes it will be won't it yeah because we had a few favors to return on the first one on the first one whereas this one really purely is just from from those who've sent them in yeah anyway we won't we won't let on exactly how many we had but you'll be able to see from the minting process it was actually how scarce they are and so what

[1:52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QPVn8OCfc&t=6750s) what's the next one the next gerbil will be sent entire drumbeat [Music] ha terrible huddle gerbil yes ok we gave you total terrible yeah that's that's a good one and relevant in recent times with this we are still in the midst of the hotle times yes exactly well when hasn't been well yeah probably peak 2017 wasn't Hottel time but currently it's it's it's hobble mode so hot enjoyable it is total gerbil great ok stuff leak ok sense sending your tweets hashtag hopple gerbil h o d l gerbil don't misspell it and spell hold that would be really bad that would be crazy and and also hashtag non fun gerbils find us on twitter yep and check out our website we've got a gerbil cage which shows the diabolo there we also sell t-shirts we do no not that you know there's an array there yet ok we haven't one actually sold a t-shirt yeah but if you'd like to be the first well there's not much choice there yet we need to you know there is only Genesis gerbil that's good and I'll be at a soccer at DEFCON if you spot a job or running around no soccer it's not me go and find it and try and catch it and feed it some tees indeed I guess the last thing to say would be thanks to Vinay yeah Thank You Vinay that was a really enjoyable interview yep hopefully you enjoy listening to T til next time the next time see you then see me pay

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