# The Bitcoin Podcast Roundtable #343--Vinay Gupta of Mattereum (part 2 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [738], part 2 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2021-03-13 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the law step (Mattereum, 2017), before the great powers step (Multipolar Realpolitik, 2024).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Ledger press.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - The Future We Deserve: "Facebook for the Five Billion?" (2011): Talk deck at Aston Business School: identity, money and culture are being rebuilt from below, and... (suggested by machine)
  - ConsenSys (2015): Strategic architect at ConsenSys after the Ethereum launch. (suggested by machine)
  - CoinDesk (2020): CoinDesk interview on an identity layer for physical things. (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - CheapID to Mattereum: One identity pattern, from a person's ID card in 2006 to warranties on physical goods in 2017. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - cryptographic applications: Cryptography applied: from 1990s cypherpunk practice to identity cards, Ethereum and Mattereum. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - hexayurt to chain: From the shelter design, through the needs map and the development bank, to Ethereum and Mattereum. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Property, NFTs & real-estate transactions (19%); Crypto history, e-gold & digital money (17%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: NFT (18 here; 45 sources in all, earliest dated 2019); USDC (9 here; 17 sources in all, earliest dated 2021); Jordan (3 here; 8 sources in all, earliest dated 2011); interoperability (3 here; 17 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); certificates (1 here; 26 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); DeFi (1 here; 31 sources in all, earliest dated 2015); platforms (2 here; 76 sources in all, earliest dated 2008); ICO (1 here; 32 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); smart contracts (2 here; 110 sources in all, earliest dated 2014, 2 undated); contracts (2 here; 147 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 3 undated)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): USDC
- Importance: core-text score 0.27 (1.00 is the top), number 288 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [555] [Breaking Down Real World Assets: Crypto Daily, with... (2024)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/555.md): close in content (cosine 0.95)
  - [554] [RWA for Emerging Markets (2024)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/554.md): close in content (cosine 0.94)
- On the same works, just before: [731] [Vinay Gupta l The Internet of Agreements l Meaning 2017 (2020)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/731.md); [120] [blockone - Sign In (2020)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/120.md); [233] [Quaddome (2020)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/233.md)
- On the same works, just after: [730] [The Bitcoin Podcast Interview #343- Vinay Gupta CEO Of... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/730.md); [680] [Blockchain technology, trade-offs, and helping launch... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/680.md); [768] [#03 - Vinay Gupta : History of Money, Foundations of... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/768.md)

## Reading it

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Cite as: The Bitcoin Podcast Roundtable #343--Vinay Gupta of Mattereum, video, 2021-03-13, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [738], https://guptaoption.com/texts/738.md.

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## Passages, part 2 of 2
[45:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=2744s) you're elderly it's not going to buy you that many groceries it's just not i'm sorry that's the system that we live in right so every year you got to be thinking of okay how can i make my money go up three point five percent whether it's investing whether it's finding some unique savings account it's probably not right so there's still finance yeah getting three percent on traditional finance yeah it becomes a measure of rates right that's why credit that's why house debt is good because you're going what is it it's a two two percent interest rate right so you're getting that negative two percent negative but if your investments are eleven percent to the good then you're nine percent to the good right um you know this is the quick napkin math for you guys right that's why credit card debt is horrendous because that's 22 to the negative what in the hell are you gonna do in a year to give you greater than 22 percent return on that year's worth of financial activity uh not a lot of things except for crypto am i [ __ ] right guys am i [ __ ] right yeah depends on the year [Laughter] so like bring it back to crypto i'm curious about like the the original conversation right yeah uh and that is this interaction between earnings and nfts because nfts are gonna be this like i own this thing and there's gonna be value associated with just owning it uh then and from there you're probably gonna make start making derivatives off ownership of various entities so if i if i try and put this directly into a something that i can imagine going on now no it's going to be uh if i look at the avalanche network right what constitutes a node you're you're new to d uh if i if i look what constitutes a node in avalanche it is a it is a certificate authority it is literally a piece of of like traditional cryptography that i own that says this is my node and i can move that that ca or so a piece of cryptography to whatever computer i want and when i start a node on that computer it is the node that the whole network recognizes so the ownership of that node has some type of reputation associated with it people delicate people may delegate to

[48:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=2894s) that node and make money off of it that is essentially an nft it is a piece of unique digital art digital thing but we haven't recognized it as that type of thing in the crypto industry so like i can sell ownership of a specific piece of property that makes money so you have you have this like multi-sided marketplace of i have ownership of the thing that makes money and then i have all of the things that derive value from ownership of that thing and that goes back to like the the status concept right where we have the multi-sided marketplace for for sticker market we have we haven't we have an art marketplace for those who have created art and stickers and in the status in the status uh sticker marketplace so artists can create stickers they deploy them they make money off them they decide where that money goes and and then we have people who buy buy those stickers and use them in the application both of those things are nfts so like you can make so like i can make as an artist a unique premier set of stickers and maybe only 20 people can have them so people buy that as an nft they can use them in the status application and they can use those stickers as like fun emojis in whatever communities they're in and then that makes a bunch of money well me as an artist i can say well i'm gonna monetize the ownership of this thing and i can sell that as a separate nfc and there's a lot of weird stuff you can do it's pouring pouring water in the money tree next fact it'd be like see like those are examples of like interactions of money and ownership of digital goods that we have yet to explore i think yeah okay just wait man like i just get so excited about this stuff and i usually don't like no yeah i do i [ __ ] talk about price a lot now because i'm right so like the financial [Laughter] the financial um industry which is a very poor way to put it let's call it segment once these people that you know

[50:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3044s) went to school for finance and learned all these cool algorithms and formulas that do all kinds of neat things with money and finance and financial situations and you know financial products really start to get there sink their teeth into this stuff shit's gonna get crazy really fast it's already gotten to the point where it's like i can't keep up with this [ __ ] there's bowser there's zebras there's [ __ ] in there rhino the sushi i don't even [ __ ] know what sushi is i know coinbase has it now like i'm just trying to figure all this [ __ ] out then corey you sent me that website not too long ago where you can like plug and play different d5 d5 protocols and protocols and try to make your own money machine like it's it's a wrap like there's not a single same person on the planet that is going to say like oh i could just sit on my money and at best get three and a half percent return on the year or i could just like play with a little bit and probably get like 15 20 percent just play from the boat or just lose it yeah or lose it yeah for sure happen yeah but what are the odds of losing it if you play well it's getting it's getting better where like you're going to be like at at worst case scenario well this is a good point stay the same this is a good point let's outline though let's outline all let's see let's outline okay wolverine all the let's outline how losing it works and how our audience can stay away from losing well that's the interesting part because i've been thinking about this from um a tax perspective right i sold a bunch of crypto this this this year it was a bull run it hit it reached the peak i said it reached the peak i sold a bunch of crypto damn list of money buckets over here look at you go oh we i called it twice keep listening right now it's probably a good time take a little bit off the top uh but like a part of that is i learned my lesson from previous times and i need to understand how to handle taxes associated with selling these things and so when i sold i sold enough that the taxes were taken care of but that money is going to sit for a while right like i have this like money that i've set aside for paying taxes on the money that i sold because i want to make sure that i take into account i don't want to be burdened by paying taxes later on down the line

[53:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3194s) so i set that money aside now that's money's just gonna sit but we're in d5 why would i let it sit so now you you're we're in a position where i can set i can put my money in a spot where it doesn't actually change in terms of its underlying value but it it makes money but here's the question do does the further money like say you pull it and you put into usdc does that two percent apy on your usdc incur taxes yes earth does yeah for sure 100 so like the the the gains that i make from the interest of whatever i'm putting this money into does that get taxable yeah but the underlying uh of the underlying was it principle doesn't that that money that i'm setting aside to pay taxes stays there i can't lose that money well depending upon the risk of whatever i'm putting into you can lose that money but that's not volatile it just stays there and then it accrues money because people are using it for various things adds liquidity for other services let me slice it for you bub when you have to that was well played alicia like you're in here now you're in here no you did that dee i did not do that you didn't oh you were not moving at all you were on point and alicia we're getting locked in man this is what we needed in our lives we needed a platform we need a platform to express our uniqueness all right now bob let me slice this up for you and i do happen to know that your childhood name was bob so you know it's very accurate your mom calls you bub bro i'm in the room they all call me bubba my family nickname is bubba your mom calls you bub short for bubba i mean whatever i hear about i am uncle bubba go ahead continue so nevertheless i'm not going to argue with you about your own name because that's stupid looking at it now uh um what okay so say you say you take out 250k 350k 500k you put it in the usdc and not usd and you lock that up and you start getting that 37 right then now do you have to pay 15 [ __ ] percentages are you talking about i've been telling you all this [ __ ] for like months now that i'm currently getting 37 37 okay

[55:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3344s) well we're going to pick this up we're going to pick this up later that's not that's that's you guys what is that from that's foreign [Laughter] she's like she's like in sync with you but like it's like 37 like a double-edged sword all right all right look keep it up alicia one i am getting 37 it even says it on the app two um i don't know where i was going but yeah like that's not just that's not just usdc like you that's that's you providing liquidity liquidity using usdc what's using us which is different than what cory i assume is what i'm talking about what i did what i did was nothing i literally just i have usdc in coinbase yes money exactly that's so that's that's what i'm saying is like wouldn't the what did the return on the usdc need to outpace the so you start let's just start with round numbers i'm trying to think about scenario numbers you use around we've got a hundred thousand dollars okay and we just took that out of a cryptocurrency we now have how much did you make

[57:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3431s) how much did you make what was the initial investment [ __ ] the initial investment was stupid say 10 000. it's not getting stupid initially and you pulled out and we 10xed yeah right we put out 100k so the margin there is 90k so i'd need to pay 15 on 90k right more than that right no it's 15 if it's long-term gains if it's short-term gains okay 72 depends your tax bracket yeah sure yeah exactly all right so i'm paying 15 on that 90 k so what's 15 on 90k 13.5 000 okay so that 13 so so out of that 100k that's now sitting in coinbase getting a return because it's usdc and there's rewards for keeping usdc and coinbase wouldn't those rewards two thousand a year by the way i think it's like some maybe two actually they dropped it right because it used to be yeah they dropped move it up and down it's like it's like point thirteen percent right now yeah why not why not put that into a liquidity pool that grants you right what might that's original possible unique equation the math equation keeps going yeah in every single percentage point on that new chunk of money that you have sitting in a liquidity pool don't you pay taxes on that those gains too so it's like a it's like a perpetual tax loop if you make money you pay taxes on it my what i originally said was i set aside a portion of money that was for paying taxes i can make money off that because it's not going to do anything for a while i i have attention you're paying taxes i have intentions of paying taxes on whatever i make off of that money but since i'm not actually trading it like the value doesn't change when i move it into different places to make money off of it it's no longer taxable events because the value doesn't change so i could i could park it somewhere and it makes money and since the underlying value of the thing doesn't change wherever i'm parking it like the underlying principle and where it sits doesn't change in value that tax that that like basically like what i've set aside for taxes is continually making me money as i'm being responsible for selling crypto mm-hmm listen to this that's it that's it that's a new thing right like that's that's that's not something that i can think about

[59:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3581s) previously maybe you could do this in traditional finance i don't think it was very accessible listen to this listen to the sex scene i think it's that listen to this sexiness i'm gonna i'm gonna put you on something audience and then i'm gonna let you [ __ ] with that because it's a little too risky for me but i thought of it while i was uh on the bidet you can take your crypto lock it up get some rewards put it on using coinbase probably you can put that get some rewards on it then you can take a loan out on your own assets that you own sitting in there getting a return take that loan buy some more crypto get a return it's just never ending fun do not lose don't do that that's a dangerous d is talking about all you would need to do is have gains that were larger than the percentage rate on that loan that it's the amount of leverage we're essentially creating assets is is a is a dangerous game that but they thought was brought to you by the hashtag not investment eyes hashtag built to me um but like yeah but daniel said like that's like so what what what you just talked about bro i love literally a good portion of uh it's like 99 percent of d5 like pickles it's like that's what d5 protocols are doing that is is trying to automate that process of what can we lock up make gains from lock that up make gains from and leverage as much as you can uh with the minimal amount of risk wait so i just thought i was doing something fancy and that's just what you just described that one interview person you said uh do you have your i'm sorry speech prepared oh yeah yeah i'm sorry i mean they might need to have i'm sorry that's you know that's the whole you know point so what's a jesse's point to jesse's point um the 37 percent that i've been ranting and raving about and it's actually real it comes down a little bit when i actually take that money out of the pool and i want to withdraw from the pool there's going to be a fee the miners are going to charge me on that and it's going to be relatively higher than if i were just sending money to cory because it's a complex contract so that takes down the 37 percent so trying to make this realistic right another those those margins are dependent upon how much you're actually

[1:02:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3731s) doing absolutely those those fees are constant based on what the gas fees are for ethereum or wherever you're doing these things but there's too many combinations of percentages and fixed costs that it would it's not really like it's not really useful because it's not generalizable you know what i mean it's not simple yet yeah here's the thing it will be simple we're we're in that we're at a point now where we are we are building our email client from source and then finally emailing our friend who may or may not get it because he's building his email client from source and he may have [ __ ] that up mm-hmm right but we're at that stage uh as close to you've got financial financial puzzle blocks this close and eventually it's going to get to the point where that's not the case it's just simple you say i want my money to do this and you click and you put it in the spot that it does that and that does that thing i think there's going to be like a way that people come in and just slice that though corey unless you're like always staying ahead and always like you're right the high risk stuff will always have the highest yield yeah uh but if the low risk stuff is still three to five percent it's great it's great how much better is that than what we currently have as options well stock market is like what nine percent averaged and seven seven seven all right it was still better than three to five percent that crypt is yeah that's cool put yourself in a put yourself in a uh like a long-term bond no not a bond a bond is ass no [ __ ] like right like so like where you can park your money from from from like government government investments they're garbage i'm going to share something with you guys uh first i'm going to first things first i need to give the shout out to yagi yagi built this he and i come back to it and have conversations about it from time to time and we speculate um give me just a second i'm gonna try to pull it up here we're running out of time here we should probably i understand i understand but essentially what we're trying to do is um damn it no it's not what i want to do this is a part of the wonderful bitcoin podcast community hit him yeah so hit him with an icon not that i got it off the rails this isn't off the rails you should uh you should tip

[1:04:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=3881s) tip yogi come to the slack and tip tibiagi uh i'm gonna share my screen over here uh audio people sorry about anything anything on here that's like dude what are you doing yeah you don't want to have that driver come on what are you doing what are you doing this noob i don't think anything was in there was important why don't you have it have the file up that you want to share and then that's what i'm going to do that's what you do you you get it ready and then you should do it live you're nude yes super live we're doing a video apparently he doesn't understand how live videos yeah [ __ ] damn it i knew this was gonna happen one day [ __ ] don't look at the sending my [ __ ] backstage oh yeah it is backstage this is being you control this dude hold up i don't control she controls it while i'm not controlling it and i'm not controlling it right now um quality right we're going to get doxxed over there dee's going to get docked i'm going to be fine i i need to go change my life real fast somebody's going to somebody's going to freeze that pain and like the [ __ ] has you got going on in there all right but anyways so what yogi and i do is track the year-over-year movement of sorry the yeah the the year-over-year movement of bitcoin and what you see here i'm going to go ahead and add to the stream what you see here are um [Music] numbers click you have so many shots oh my god dude we didn't have like a workshop of like how to share i think we can hit f11 hit hit yeah you need to hit f11 for real oh there we go all right now let's bring it back stop it jesus christ why do you keep doing that so i think when i did the math last if you count the number of months that are read and compare that to the number of months that are white to green like your odds of investing in bitcoin and not making money on a year is something crazy like uh it's like there's an 87 chance that you are going to increase your money by quite a bit if you look at these percentages mm-hmm right now they stack sets right that's why this stack says that's concentrated sentiment now here's the thing obviously you have to say historical performance isn't indicative

[1:07:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4031s) of uh yeah right blah blah blah yeah but at the same time odds are odds right and look at these percentage gains november is a clear winner that's why every single person who's been in crypto for any amount of time in november uh they get their their ghibli start to get a little bit warm in november because even if you average this that's 11 that's one thousand one that's eleven thousand four no that's the percentage the average is one thousand two hundred and seven all right check out take out that uh 8 000 number and average those okay let's do that then 341 percent returns in november that's that's telling me sorry i'm trying to take out like anomalous behavior for that one which you will see and this is the graph that yeah you got to take you got to take out the average you have you have the average involved in the average so you stop that so 66 oh 8 000 oh i see i did have the average in the average good call 208 percent still wonderful right that's still looking that's the only returns very good returns that's 100 200 that's double that's tripling your money right 100 just for november what does that mean for just november just november right so but this is the graph that i like to show and that is i think it's this one these astronomical jumps are getting smaller and smaller this isn't they're getting smaller and smaller which means that yeah jump ship no just kidding what i don't know you know this is there's very interesting things to prognosticate this is just for bitcoin this is just like this yes um but like what does it mean as bitcoins price jumps decrease but still overall are going up what does it mean for the other cryptos what does it mean for it just you it's very fun to look at data sometimes i think i find it very fun to say like oh like okay these price jumps are obviously getting smaller a rising tide might lift all boats is a is a possible hypothesis yeah especially as as the like it's like over time we've we there's no arguing that in the beginning the only way to get to other cryptocurrencies was to go through bitcoin so you had to go from fiat to bitcoin and bitcoin to other things yep that's no longer the case whatsoever

[1:09:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4181s) so the the the transaction volume of bitcoin has been lowered because no one's having to go through it to get to other things and the utility of other things namely ethereum has has grown dramatically and if you just look at those like just that's just a small example of all of the possible things that could be happening like people used to have to go through bitcoin to get to ethereum to use the utility of ethereum utility utility ethereum has grown but you need to go through bitcoin to get there anymore so like that's not going to be reflected in the year over year of bitcoin because they're not going through bitcoin anymore and so that metric is interesting in that the reliance upon bitcoin first particular types of uh i guess yearly bumps is diminishing over time probably because at the same time crypto's continuing to blow up like crypto in general blockchain in general hasn't gotten smaller since over the years it's gotten much much bigger it means that bitcoin is becoming smaller and smaller and smaller in terms of the thing that people go to on a year-to-year basis as they like i feel like uh by virtue of participation in crypto not because we intended to but because it just happened to be how it played out we're like reverse engineering the history and how money actually works and how it is understood by macro traders maybe i don't know i'm just i'm just looking at like charts and trying to rationalize why those things are happening as you have other things outside of the like that that chart you just showed is a is a narrow perspective on the crypto industry yeah it is a year-over-year of bitcoin alone yeah it's very narrow but the amount of money that's flown into this industry is massively larger than that but if bitcoin was still the linchpin for getting into crypto that that trend would not be the case it would be it would be growing or growing and growing yeah i don't know though like it's still going to diminish though right if you if it were if you were required to use bitcoin to get to other cryptos yeah the year-over-year chart would be

[1:12:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4331s) growing oh okay yeah yes on that on that premise 100 i agree yeah so that's not the case anymore we can agree on that that's no longer the case you don't need bitcoin to get into crypto yeah and not only do you not need it people aren't doing it so people are throwing their money into this industry directly into things that are not bitcoin yeah that's great that is happening you ever you ever uh feel like um like if somebody did like a simulation of you know like a moth to a flame where if you if you modeled the flame as a speculative investment that the the the intensity of the flame is modeled by the volume and the amount of money thrown at that specific um vehicle then you could actually like you know kind of characterize the dynamics of the moth being the stand-in for people being attracted to the flame interesting yeah i know you're saying i don't i don't know i've never seen it and then being obviously yeah go for it um i said a hip a hop the hip it to the hip it to the hip hip hop and yeah don't stop by rapping to the bank to the book rap how's it going keep going wrap with the w so um are you drinking did you drink tonight bro no i think he's just tired he gets better when he gets a little tired he's better he gets better when he gets better i mean like everybody just does he kind of sucks when he's like really oh come on that's not what i meant when he's like when he's like on par he's terrible but like when he's just a little tired point honestly i'm gonna say that to my girl i'm tired let's keep on going sorry that was that's whack no it wasn't it was awesome so you know let's let's bring up the poppables uh go to you know patreon.com the bitcoin podcast uh you know you've become a patron and you can help us make better content you can see all of our patrons that have supported us to this point have obviously got us to a point where now corey has high dec like high clarity cameras with fuzzy knees fuzzies he's like you know fuzzy background he likes jessie's got like look at his hair how

[1:14:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4481s) much money are our patrons helping us with to for you to have locks like that like what kind of shampoo are you using you guys do that the patrons do that they allow this man right here to have some of the best hair in crypto guarantee jessie's using a bar of soap it's part of the tier it's if you pay five dollars it goes straight to jessica's shampoo fund for that damn it it's nice um join the slack uh you could find people like yagi who is a genius in his own right and you know everyone in our slack is gonna help you learn but maybe not like the [ __ ] that you'll see about like you know like you know this basic [ __ ] like everybody in there are some power users all right we got a power user uh we have we have a we have a whole gamut of people we have people going from like the depth to people who are coming in asking questions and if you want to come in and ask questions there there are people who are willing to answer those questions for you like that's true where we are very welcome to people who don't know what's going on or interested who want to learn from the people who are like balls deep in this industry the slack immediate was like we need to make a shampoo joke shampoo did they yeah oh yeah immediately yeah shampoo token coming out uh rug pool token this is anyways obviously the slack is awesome and it's very engaging which is cool to see all the stuff start to link together if you're listening to this podcast on apple podcast that's the icon but also uh you can be listening to this podcast on other things like uh player. is it spotify is that otherwise spotify is still pending we're kind of just [ __ ] spotify yeah we need that spotify we're in this [ __ ] are we on spotify we're in a dispute right now because of the old show that we had so uh you know once we get that what is it a copyright strike whatever they [ __ ] say once that's done we're fine um you know so like us you know leave a review if it's four stars or below [ __ ] you we don't need that yeah don't do it don't do it go away [ __ ] yourself leave do not give us anything below five stars stars baby sink pipes all right um like subscribe ding the bell um you know hold up you know like uh please share like

[1:17:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4631s) subscribe follow and review our show what does that say about fax machine so we do timmy timothy is leveling up at infinitum on the slack has said uh fax machine the only podcast on fax that's right get up son oh casting call for artists ah yes so i don't know what that says in our quest to give nfts to our audience in a way that brings value to their lives we need artistes digital artistes to come and work with one of our slack members slap me i'm looking at you member of our team sorry i didn't realize had like so much dog hair on my shirt it's crazy to realize that while you've already been live for an hour and 20 minutes can't really see it don't worry um now i can't unsee it so if you're a digital artist or just an artist musician you could be anything right or a musician or anyone everything join the slack and as you you know this could be a mutual thing as to you where you learn nfts and how to launch them and have meant them and how to be the nft you'll help us help our community right and it'll be pretty nifty so don't acknowledge it don't acknowledge it okay uh if you've ever been a past guest of the show you're gonna get nft by us and there's nothing you can do about it because we own the audio so hahaha [ __ ] all right so

[1:18:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4727s) let's uh get some shout outs i'd like to give a shout out to megan the stallion girl you're really doing it you're doing it look at her she's you know she was in nursing you know she's in nursing she knows right now in nursing school right now anybody can be in nursing school actually it's pretty pretty competitive not anyone can be a nurse's mom she's clearly doing it right i absolutely happen to know that she competes very well with your your mom corey um shout out to michelle obama shout out to uh lori harvey and michael b jordan michael b jordan shout out to shout out to her and him um you know shout out to aladdin for doing his [ __ ] oh well played the entire world that you could just be a street rat but still get to marry the princess of arabia um oh of course the og zoe saldana zoe saw dania with a wide mouth uh all righty just said bidet token the sophisticated [ __ ] coin [Laughter] so um there's one last thing i i haven't i don't understand why i don't shout this out more because obviously it's something to do but shout out to all you that listen to our show and have continued to listen to our show and tell your neighbors to listen to our show and now hopefully tell your neighbors to watch our show and hang out with me and my dog and cory and his dogs jesse and his amazing here um champion token coming at you um you know look at look at he buy it shampoo um you know shout out to yogi to andy uh timothy daniel of course daniel alicia they're here they help us they've helped us they continue to help us uh you know who am i missing here there's too many there's there's like there's a shitload of people in this life bjt safe he's won uh uh jt from badger holy [ __ ] shout out to you man like you took you were like man i'm tired of listening to those [ __ ] talk about this [ __ ] i'm about to be about this [ __ ] and look at you go um mad shout outs um don't know if i haven't you know what

[1:21:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzbn2Cpg_CU&t=4877s) join the slack and get a job join the slack get a job that should be our [ __ ] we'll help you get a job i've seen multiple people join the slack become a part of the community learn about stuff and get a job that has changed their career oh man it's got to be a good commercial are you working in a job that sucks bows are you working huh you're like commercial voice is wonderful can we start making commercials with with like i do just stupid just stupid commercial alicia the commercials that we're going to do from here on out are going to be dee's commercial voice are you does your job suck and ergo your life do you want to change that because your life is sucking join the tbp slack get a better job have a better life record that play play play the outro [Music] you

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