# Vinay Gupta - Resilience Guru | London Real (part 2 of 3)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [689], part 2 of 3. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2014-02-02 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the money step (Global Village Development Bank, 2009), before the ledgers step (Ethereum launch, 2015).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Popular statement of life support at planetary scale and its timeline.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - SCIM / INAM (2009): Simple Critical Infrastructure Maps: 18 human needs across 7 scales, from the individual to the world.
  - FluSCIM (2010): Another author's application of the SCIM framework to pandemic flu.
  - Municipal Administration of Cities in Crisis (2013): UCL Institute for Security and Resilience Studies paper drawing lessons for city governments from...
  - The Living City (2009): A Buttered Side Down talk to the engineering firm Arup, with Mike Bennett: how cities learned to beat... (suggested by machine)
  - The New Economy: out of money, out of time, but not out of ideas (2010): One-page paper: the richest fifth are eating the planet, so the next economy has to be at peace with other... (suggested by machine)
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - STAR-TIDES: The National Defense University project and the papers around it.
  - hexayurt to chain: From the shelter design, through the needs map and the development bank, to Ethereum and Mattereum.
  - nuclear / panflu: Pandemic, evacuation and rehousing plans.
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine)
  - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: flu / infection / risk (12%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: London Real (6 here; 6 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); Stacktivism (5 here; 7 sources in all, earliest dated 2013); too hot (8 here; 42 sources in all, earliest dated 2008, 6 undated); nanomaterials (2 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2013); too cold (7 here; 40 sources in all, earliest dated 2008, 7 undated); critical infrastructure (8 here; 54 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 7 undated); basic income (4 here; 21 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); refugee camps (5 here; 37 sources in all, earliest dated 2007, 1 undated); pandemic flu (4 here; 32 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 1 undated); refugees (7 here; 84 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 3 undated)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): Mars; basic income; rich data; accredited investors
- Importance: core-text score 0.53 (1.00 is the top), number 65 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [250] [Through the Looking Glass - Vinay Gupta on systemic... (2010)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/250.md): same career work: SCIM / INAM
  - [322] [Vinay Gupta at the Athens Hackerspace, 2012 September 2 (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/322.md): same career work: SCIM / INAM
- On the same works, just before: [754] [Vinay Gupta shares his vision of a rural future (2013)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/754.md); [317] [Vinay Gupta (@leashless) of Hexayurt Project at the... (2013)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/317.md); [697] [Vinay Gupta - Resilience Guru - TRAILER | London Real (2014)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/697.md)
- On the same works, just after: [701] [Vinay Gupta - Gun Control Precedes Genocide | London Real (2014)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/701.md); [696] [Vinay Gupta - Pandemic means Death? | London Real (2014)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/696.md); [700] [Vinay Gupta - Basic Income | London Real (2014)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/700.md)

## Reading it

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Cite as: Vinay Gupta - Resilience Guru | London Real, video, 2014-02-02, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [689], https://guptaoption.com/texts/689.md.

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## Passages, part 2 of 3
[35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2100s) to any family members that are in a better position the refugee comps once they are wired the refugees stop being lost stray humans and they become all kinds of things that they can do they can make money they can do translations you know if they could find a way of getting an income in there they can figure out how to get enough money and get out again and in all probability the only currency that will allow them to do that is Bitcoin okay right that's a clever segue into Bitcoin who's going to let them open a bank account all right yeah well we've never heard this we've heard we've been talking about Bitcoin we had Max Kaiser on here we had Peter Schiff you know everyone's got an opinion about Bitcoin some think it's not a viable currency some say it doesn't represent anything some people think it's going to $5 million like uh Rick Rick ful Vin says it somewhere between two and 5 million euros is the price of the Bitcoin what do you think about Bitcoin you have a you know a very good technical background um I reckon that Bitcoin is probably kind of like looking at I don't know what was the first social network working site you saw 6° was that it okay something like that maybe was it really rough early well I mean you know think of what Myspace was like right okay so I would say that Bitcoin is probably going to turn out to be the Myspace of digital currencies right okay the first thing that most people saw that said oh my God that's possible it might just turn out to be the MS Doss of digital currencies you know totally crap technology that you get stuck with for a generation right but I very much doubt that now that Bitcoin is possible something that isn't much better than Bitcoin is now enabled right bitcoin's enemy is not the state bitcoin's enemy is its successors it's new technology well look after you see Bitcoin suddenly there must be half a million crypto nurs are like I just figured out how to get rich Let's Start a bank right and you take the level of innovation that Bitcoin managed and then you say right well from that platform what else can we do and you know all of that thinking all of that intelligence goes into making a competitor for it and in a free market the idea that you're going to have one store of value that becomes a permanent stable thing is ridiculous but also since it is a currency and people have a vested interest in their own money being they literally buy into the currency yeah I mean because you put your money where your mouth is and so is there is there that Legacy cost or sunk cost that's going to keep it around even if if it's low Tech is it low Tech when you look at it right now um no I mean it's real high-tech Hightech but not compared to its competitors which will learn everything that Bitcoin knew and then add some new tricks right this is the pace of innovation thing right so I don't think that Bitcoin is going to get sandbagged by the state I really thought it was going to go down it doesn't look like it's going to go down okay it's probably going to get mainstreamed but

[37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2250s) what's going to happen is Bitcoin 2 Bitcoin 3 Bitcoin 4 right there are something like 140 other currencies yeah Litecoin and all this other Litecoin and pure coin and everybody who's got a model of how they want the world to work is going to build a currency right let 1,000 flowers bloom right so I don't know where bitcoin's eventual value will be but I think at the 30-year mark it will either be unrecognizable or dead either they'll keep evolving the platform and they'll keep changing the rules of the game to stay ahead of the pack or the pack will simply consume Bitcoin and it'll be like Bitcoin is that still worth anything but there will be a cryptocurrency is that what we call it what do you call itrc I think cryptocurrency is fine I think that there's a lot of confusion that people think they are currencies right because all we've ever seen as currencies right we're looking at these instruments and we're seeing Horseless carriages right okay right what is it actually you know is it like money well you can use it for exchange is it is it the same as money well not really so why do we keep calling it money because you can use it like money that makes it money no it's a thing what are its properties we don't know right but once there are a lot of those things right once you've got enough stable cryptocurrencies to be able to throw a party right 15 20 30 currencies that are used for different things once that basis is established I think you can then begin to do kind of a sociological survey right in what ways are they like currencies in what ways are they not like currencies in what way are they more political like imagine if you did a thing where you did voting with Bitcoin all of these Bitcoins have private Keys Associated right right so you could send out voting papers and everybody that had a Bitcoin could digitally sign it and their vote would be worth the same as the amount of Bitcoin they possessed right so you could you could do electronic democracy off the Bitcoin key space is that democracy or is that a capitalist democracy well I mean it's exactly what we do for limited liability corporations right number of shares you own equals the size of your voting share okay so you know in a sense you could do Democratic governance of Bitcoin on the same way that we do Democratic governance of companies in Theory without breaking a sweat okay is that normal for currencies no it's something new right so it's a mindset we need to think of a different way of thinking of it I agree with you I I think it's it's just a New Concept we have to get our brains around and by trying to call it gold or money it's none of these things right and now we're seeing interesting things where you know we had Kaiser and here talking about uh doing a crowdfunding uh run for George Galloway running for mayor and then can do it in Bitcoins and now you can get people contributing to a

[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2400s) political party and can you imagine a Kickstarter campaign where it's like Galloway just did a million pounds and it's like well that's not fair well what can you crowdfund and then and it starts getting interesting oh just all kinds of craziness so you think for refugees there's a real need for that cryptocurrency it's not just refugees right anybody who lives in a country that has a government would prefer to get a currency instrument that was produced by a not vendor okay which is why we saw in Russia then people would hoard dollars black markets Frank something you can be sure of so you can think of Bitcoin as being like the poor man Swiss frank right you know there is no reason that you can't get Bitcoin off a Smartphone in a an African refugee camp and use it for paying for your web hosting Services where you're running a little business to pay for your kids' education right right because the government can't say no the currency control can't say no the people that won't acknowledge that you exist as a human being enough to give you a bank account can't say no right right so for people that are unserved by the state and unserved by the system things like Bitcoin are potentially huge breakthroughs right there's a really strong humanitarian case for cryptocurrencies because they're universally available without government oversight and refugees have so little support from the state that they're getting strangled because they can't get access to services so if you think of Bitcoin as being like open-source currency it's universally available to anybody with a phone and I mean you know where I put it right this right it's the new Milla phone right right so it's running an open source operating system it's $40 in South America and it's a perfectly usable first world smartphone like I don't notice that I'm not on an iPhone for anything that I do day-to-day right right so when all these guys running around with open source telepan right cheap tablets connected to open source currencies fully participant in the digital economy globally even though people won't give them a passport right this is really big and there are B millions of people in that situation who right now can't do anything internationally because they don't have telecoms and they don't have banking right but this is happening very soon and it will be happening oh it's happening now right okay and you think bitcoin's gone far enough that in your in your mind the government can't reel it back they're going to let it go or they have no choice but to let it go maybe the CIA is already using it you know who knows I mean I guarantee intelligence services are using it because if they're not they're stupid yeah um beating Bitcoin to death at this point would take such an enormous amount of effort not I mean there was a point where it could have been strangled in the crib it's far

[42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2550s) past that point now this is not to say that it couldn't be forced back underground and knocked down to you know $5 a coin right right I mean you know you just need to arrest everybody that ever traded on Silk Road and very quickly Bitcoin will become like oh Bitcoin right yeah it might not get back a bit definitely I mean there's a company called coinbase in San Francisco just got $25 million worth of funding for this you know that's what they do they have 600,000 registered users now that owing Bitcoin and it it looks like it's yeah it's going to be hard to pull that back I mean you know 50 businesses will take it walk up in Berlin you were telling me that yeah room77 right there's a network around in cburg um but right the thing is that Bitcoin is actually kind of a currency if you just think of it as a currency because the deflationary thing means that the early movers have massive Advantage so this is great because you know my political class right the kind of you know do nerd Elite whatever you want to call it a lot of my political class went into Bitcoin long early and as a result a lot of people that I know are getting rich it's like it's like a doom boom for crypto nerds yeah I talked about Rick fogs we talked about this all the the next billionaire oligarchs are going to be these you know early adopter you know nerds and that might even be true right but actually I am not really sure that the solution to the world's problem is just changing who the oligarchy is okay right like at a fundamental level I am not sure that our you know nent libertarian overlords are going to give the rest of the population a fair deal because until we figure out how we're going to manage natural monopolies we're always going to be in a position where the people that capture natural monopoly the rest of the population and much as Libertarians want to pretend there are no natural monopolies that's just fantasy okay is this something else you spend a lot of time looking at or or natural monopolies or or just because you're a big resource guy as well and you're always talking about the the limited resources we have usually I think manifest themselves in what more government or War I mean this is something you talk about a lot yeah absolutely right I mean you run out of things people get mean people get mean they form big power blocks called States and then they beat the out of each other right the US Air Force during the Iraq War was 1% of the world's oil consumption I didn't know that yeah right okay I mean that might have included the Army as well but I mean 1% of the world's oil consumption but you're saying that's quite significant well look the amount of gasoline you have to burn to have an army of 200 thousand Fighters taking 1% of the world's oil right 7 billion so what does

[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2700s) that tell you well war is expansive in resource terms all of the humans all of the metals all of the energy all of those are resources that we can't get back once you burn it in a conflict it's gone think of all the energy that we put into the space race right you don't want to say to people about why the world is this way the world is this way because we put the plutonium in the wrong end of the Rockets right you put the plutonium on the bottom of the rocket we would have been C Toro by 1970 you put it in the top of the rocket all it's good for is killing people okay right so what's your take on environmental resources then I got a funny feeling you don't have the normal take on it well no look I mean let me show you an object right this is not going to help your listeners any but let me just dig try to describe it it's a lot of keys you got it's a lot of keys yeah ignore the keys it's the Str I would expect a man like you to have all your keys digitalized somehow no I I know far too much about digital technology to trust any of it okay well um so see that string yeah take a guess at the breaking strain um I don't know a few hundred pounds you're a big guy give it give it a good Stone okay what we got here okay any give uh a bit you know a bit a few percent I guess I don't know something like that it's pretty strong H 450 kilos okay right yeah for 40 cm okay right so it's a n uhoh there goes the microphone back up am I doing this right good good okay sorry about that that's cool so it's a it's a nanomaterial called Spectra okay right so nanomaterials are going to change everything and when I say everything like three of me could hang off a piece of string that's 1.8 mm thick right five of you this stuff weighs nothing it costs nothing to produce it's basically just long chain carbon and hydrogen um graphine is going to be what that is to string for fabric so we're talking about Fabrics which are keep hearing about graphine right right graphine is basically just going to be unbreakable cloth okay so what does that mean well um how would you like to see an eight-story building that rolls out of a sea container inflatable right you're obsessed with structures aren't you well look what does everybody need they need some food they need some water they need a place to live they need some energy they need some telecoms right we can do all of this with with new technology for the entire world without breaking a sweat

[47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=2850s) right to provide for the whole of humanity in 1950 with available technology so nobody died of whack would have been difficult right to do it in 1980 would have been possible to do it in 2010 is getting to be just about imaginable by 2030 or 2040 it's going to be easier to do it than not and what keeps us from doing this what makes the keeps us from the markets from being efficient um the markets are efficient okay markets are efficiently concentrating wealth in the hands of the most capable people right markets are evolutionary and evolution is brutal right put the weak to the sword eat their carcasses that is evolution and people talk about Cooperative modes of evolution and you know social uh you know sort of group selection and all the rest of this kind of stuff yes but there's always a prean animal and the pre- animal is the thing which goes down your neck capitalism is simply the praying of the strong upon the weak right okay if you want to have a social system that doesn't work that way you have to start accepting that the weak are going to be taking things from the strong in ways which are completely unfair to the strong but I'm strong I could do that it's my right I evolve to do it I'm going to do it right you begin to develop an anti- evolutionary culture now whether or not that's the right thing or the wrong thing to do is a moral decision that people make right from my perspective I think that we ought to make sure that everybody lives but I also think that we shouldn't do that at the expense of the freedom of the strong because the stronger people that are going to give us new options right okay if if you tax the Elon musks of this world into the ground the human race doesn't go to space on the other hand I don't think that we should have you know infin mortality rates in Detroit that look like Somalia right okay so what do you propose um I think there's a ton of room in basic income right I think basic income is really worth a serious look whether it will work or not let's try it in some small countries first and see what happens basic income what's that so basic income you basically run a tax rate of around 50% and the government writes everybody a check for $220,000 a year interesting right so you you are going to lose half of your income to tax but you're also going to get 20K a year in the form of a grant not means tested and maybe about 50% will be lost as it goes through the government no no it's super clean right because you close all the social programs okay right everybody gets a chunk of money from the government and that's all the government does they don't do healthare they don't do education they do nothing they just redistribute wealth I already don't like this but I'm still listening well I mean look if you're going to have a

[50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3000s) government that does redistribution best it does nothing else okay all right or you can go down the libertarian path and do kind of long W the strong stuff the thing about libertarianism is it's one of the few political philosophies that is genuinely intellectually defensible right there is no doubt at all that you can bolt that thing down to philosophical truth no questions asked it's just if we actually try it I'm not sure we're going to like it okay right again let's have you know you don't Freedman no I don't so seing Institute okay right partry son of David Son of Milton Freedman okay yeah so part's out uh perspective is let's start some new countries let's try some crazy government ideas let's see what works and I think that this is essential right I mean capitalism runs on competition the state is currently immune from competition because if you don't have the land you can't start a country and so we've completely stopped evolving governance and this is a freaking tragic right this this whole thing about representative democracy right how old is it 200 years right 400 or so in the UK but let's take the American example so for 200 years people have voted once every four years everything else in the world has changed 200 years voting once every four years in every other area life is speeded up by one or two orders of magnitude right transport a thousand times faster and cheaper and easier and you still vote once every four years right friend of mine runs an out called liquid law and they have a banner they hold that PES 12 exit and what it says is in your lifetime that is your total contribution to the way that your government runs 12 times 12 votes 12 votes okay that's all you're going to get in your lifetime okay so your proposing is kind ridiculous minimum so what about the resources though you haven't talked about the resources well so the way you get into this Jam right if you don't have enough for everybody the poor are going to get oppressed by the Weak by the strong because they're the only people that can get oppressed rest so right now we've got America's Got what 25% of the world's natural resource consumption with 5% of the population right they've got sounds about right 30 times the carbon footprint of the Bangladesh's um you go to the bottom billion you've got 100 people living on the income of a single American and uh the 1% line for wealth globally is $35,000 a year if you're making 35,000 k a year you are the 1% globally speaking yes another great quote from this show um yeah so in the world yeah right we we' have a

[52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3150s) completely distorted model of this stuff of the world not of America of the world as a whole right okay so in America the 1% line is about 2 million a year 70% of them are farmers right because what makes the millionaires is that they've got an enormous amount of land but they need it for the business and if they sell the land they got nothing you're saying 70% of the 1% in the US are farmers 70% of the millionaires in America the paper book value millionaires are Farmers last time I checked that's from memory haven't looked at this in a while somebody double check that uh but I I guess I see the point you're making so when we get down to this resource thing here's the question you got to ask can we make 10 billion of these if you can't make 10 billion of them it's not going to work for everybody right so can we do the basic resources for 10 billion people sure right water filter it's a thing called the Safe Water trust filter 20 quids worth of materials will produce clean water for five years then you switch out a couple of parts that cost a few dollars then you get another five years out of it cooking um wood gasification stoves they's still a little the technology is still evolving but5 or $10 for a wood stove that burns wood like gas right incredibly efficient cheap and easy the bolite stove is currently the camping version of it I've never seen a better stove they're beautiful is Gates working on one of these I know they've been working on these for a yeah Gates is working all kinds of stuff right so two hot two cold hunger thirst illness injury too hot and too cold right cheap polypropolene clothing it costs nothing it lasts forever just remember wash it too hot shade how hard is it it's dead easy shelter we can make hexayurts too hot too cold hunger Safe Water uh Not Safe Water trust uh one acre fund agricultural training program in Africa doubled agricultural output from teaching people how to plant seeds properly right super basic agricultural training doubled agricultural output okay water you mentioned the filter there's filter rope pumps look at charity called AKO akv huge amounts of information on how to actually do water on a nickel budget okay right illness injury most of the illness is simply waterborne diseases you get that out you get 70% of it um smoke inhalation through indoor cooking fires tobacco kills 10 times as many people a year as malaria it's unbelievably unbelievably lethal okay um so you get waterbor disease you get the smoking out right you get rid of the smoking the cooking

[55:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3300s) fires that leaves you with a handful of things that you can get infected with which you can get vaccinated for which is a couple of dollars a person and then you get the remaining diseases that are probably five or 10 you know bad illnesses in any given area that are treatable okay you know warming tablets Bas so your point is is we're very close we just need to make sure and push all these things into place well let's go right down the remainder of the list right so if you're unfortunate enough to live in a crap area and you get some disease that there's no cure for you're done but if there is a cure it costs $3.50 right oh yeah you've got Bill horia take one of these fixed okay no but I'm just saying resource wise if you nail these six things down what's the last one on the list injury right what do you need to prevent injury you either issue people cheap handguns or you accept you're not going to arm them right they seem to do pretty well after their own devices in the free market AK-47 is what $50 so we can do this for everybody right this idea that you know half of the world has to be poor no they can stay on their dollar a day income they can buy better technology with their dollar a day and they can provide for all of their own needs inside of a fair economic system as long as the market is allowed to function and isn't distorted by the state okay all right Point made there I want to ask you something before I ask you a few questions I ask every guest you mentioned earlier that this structure we were talking about the government of the State versus a private Corporation maybe to make something like the hexayurt you know is is there some other entity we're not thinking about which is like a Cooperative way of doing these things okay so yes Wikipedia Linux right Wikipedia total annual budget 5 million a year 30,000 volunteers working in a $5 million a year business and it's ubiquitous oh it's huge right yeah and think of the amount of value that Wikipedia has dumped into the human species how many people have not made a measurable Financial cost mistake because of Wikipedia right good point good point so huge net benefit on almost no actual from Financial exchange vast benefit then you look at uh Linux right that ecosystem is worth on the order of a100 billion all of the open source software systems together on the order of100 billion right 70% of the mobile phone market is Android that's open source Macintosh is all run on top of BSD that's open source the only not open source thing with any substantial footprint left is Windows so what's happening is this economic mode that you high anare calls commons-based pure production and the critical thing about

[57:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3450s) this right is I mean you know bit economics right markets are all about price signaling price is a single piece of data it's useless right in a low bandwidth environment you've got price signaling as a result you get some kind of efficiency because price signaling is still more efficient than doing something like feudalism but in a super rich high band with environment price signaling is suddenly a really weak signal yeah yeah I know it costs $17 where is it who lives there do I want to rent a room there what's their Myspace history let's have a look at their Twitter feed do we really want to what one data point doesn't tell the whole story is what you're saying and what we're seeing is people are increasingly make decisions based on super rich data which means that you now have high bond with organizations which are out competing markets okay why do I why do I work for a a Wikipedia because it makes me feel good I'm doing a great thing it's not about how much they're paying me you're just saying there's lots of other factors here well look if you're an academic and you spend a ton of money on books right Wikipedia is providing you with a service that you would otherwise pay for and all it's asking for is a bit labor in return right so these are real economic values if you're a programmer you are not going to sit down and write your own operating system and nobody will give you the source code to theirs except for your 50,000 best friends so I'm getting enormous economic value from open source software in return I'm putting as much value into that as I can and what we have is anarchist voluntarism which is beating markets okay right the markets are unable to out compete this new structure they can't do it it doesn't matter how much money you put behind something if I give you $5 billion and tell you to make something that works better than Wikipedia you can't because the money is just not an efficient mechanism anymore it's just a crap instrument for organizing in a high bandwidth environment is that because of the bandwidth has increased so much that we have so much information we've got so much information that price signaling is no longer effective interesting it's still effective but maybe not the on the first order of magnitude well well it still is first order but where's the hardcore Innovation happening is it inside of the markets or is it the edges in the nonmarket areas 70% of the mobile phone markets running free software 70% in the most competitive high-tech arena there is the open source guys have already won this is Google giving it away Google gave away Android they gave it away because they couldn't get large scale cooperation unless the mobile phone source code was available to the other vendors and they'll make a ton of money in the back end of course right but the critical thing is is all of the Innovation that they did is now in an open pool right so it's not going

[1:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3600s) away again that sets a new Global minimum for mobile phone function true true so more and more and more and more what's happening is the Innovation is happening in non-market mechanisms and the markets are lagging behind playing catch up crowdfunding right oh finally we found a way of just about managing to raise investment for things we don't understand right and The Regulators lagging how far behind that on crowdfunding like you can't do crowdfunding for companies cuz you can't sell one share each for $5 unless people are accredited investors yeah in the US it's illegal they're doing they're doing it here just doing so you wind up with this position where you vote once every four years the state makes regulations 2 to 10 years later than the actual event happens and because of crowdfunding because of Bitcoin because of these faster and faster renovation Cycles you know the actual state-ofthe-art is running so far in advance of what's investable if you have a great idea you can open S it now and get a whole bunch of Kudos that will let you get a high paying job later or you can try and start a company it's going to take you 3 years to find funding this is fascinating so what what do I do with the information you just told me to be aware of it and to make like if I have a great idea that maybe I shouldn't go and get Angel Investing and go some VC is there a different way that we should be thinking about creating things in this world well look if I had patented the hexayurt and tried to raise money to build them or if I'd started a charity and financed it we might have done 20,000 hexayurts and you'd never have heard of it and 10 years from now there would still be 30 or 50,000 of them right right it's doubling every year the number of hexayurts in the world is doubling every year and it has done for 10 years right you run that forward a decade how many are there now do you reckon I don't know, 1500 couple thousand right right there are hippies living in them year round up and down the West Coast very quietly uh test shelters Haiti Sri Lanka eventually there's going to be a natural disaster and somebody is just going to go and buy a bunch of plants the next year there'll be 10 more people buying a bunch of plywood 5 years after that we've gotten rid of the disaster relief tent we'll be making in roads on the refugee camps 20 years after that we'll be building them at a cardboard and tin foil they'll cost $75 a unit and they'll be evacuated panels or insulated panels right right that kind of exponential Leverage is impossible to do inside of market capitalism you just can't make it work or a charity which is hard to believe right all right so it's a just different way of thinking yeah and what it's about is about fundamentally power rather than money right money is really just not a very

[1:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3750s) efficient instrument for changing the world anymore as every rich person who goes out there and tries to buy a better world finds out right if you really want to change the world what you need is power and power and money are not funable you can turn money into Power you can turn power into money but it's intensely lossy right you look at somebody like lus tovalds tovalds has gigantic amounts of power right who is this guy he's the guy who started Linux okay all right lus Linux right Jimmy Wales the guy that runs Wikipedia enormous amounts of power on very little money right so we're in a position now where the real Powers frequently are no longer the rich and this has never really happened before right some religious societies work that way gandi okay once in a while right right but what's happening is that because the financial economy is so inefficient at allocating money to things which are changing the world the heavy innovators are often going outside of the market economy right and they're building these enormous power structures which are almost completely demonetized and they are really seriously putting pressure on the existence of the state and on the existence of big companies that's fantastic um I I think we could talk about that for a whole another show um just thinking about it right now you know we we've had a guy in here who uh his name is Richard Viller he's a doctor that goes into uh um uh zones of Crisis he went to Haiti after the earthquake he just came back from the Philippines and um I'm definitely going to hit him up with the hexayurt Ys just because uh you know he was there and he sees on the scene I mean he gets there within 72 hours so he's doing almost more almost a triage he's a doctor but he's almost doing a triage of these people need water they need a tent they absolutely it's all public health stuff before he starts operating yeah and like he's told me you know CA is the big problem right away and you much much more dangerous than people with handguns like absolutely my God right but my closest collaborator on this critical infrastructure stuff is a guy called Lucas Gonzalez and you know he's a doctor in the Canary Islands works on pandemic flu and you know they're using it the other thing it's worth mentioning on this is a political outfit in the UK called stacktivism okay right like activism but stacktivism which is taking all this critical infrastructure work but using it as a lens for doing real politics so to do a historical analysis of what constitutes the city based on the layers of critical infrastructure that were put in by each level of government and the S notion is that given Technologies encapsulate ideologies so you've got Municipal dictatorship for the London water system it's run by an activist called J spring it okay um stacktivism is really good stuff just early stage you know it's

[1:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=3900s) like a couple hundred people are talking about it now but I think that you could have stacktivism for Libertarians for anarchists for greens even for the left right it's a new lens for looking at the political mess that we're in which actually reveals a lot of the stuff that change about why we can't change the world in a much clearer light than older politics okay stacktivism we're going to check that out I got to hit you with a question I ask every single guest on the show and uh I'm going to hit you with it vene if you can make a phone call to the 20-year-old uh Vinay Gupta and give that young man a bit of advice where was he in Ireland where was he I was in Scotland Scotland um where were you born uh I was born in Yorkshire of all places okay Yorkshire my my father was an Indian doctor my mother was a Scottish nurse okay okay gra Anatomy okay uh here I am so advice for the 20-year-old me uh it would be go at Burning Man in '95 not '96 why so you could shoot things well look I mean come on burning man with guns right is basically like the kindest most humanitarian Mad Max scenario ever right I I still have this lingering regret that I wasn't there the year they had a drive by shooting range okay all right that's good advice anything else you would tell them um that's a great question I mean so at 20 right I didn't really know whether I was a Mystic or a scientist and I spent a good 10 years trying to figure out which one I was and it took me another 5 years after that to discover there wasn't a distinction right right I mean I had to kick right through the bottom of the floor of Hinduism right I I went all the way to the guru level right I was trained formally as a teacher I had a guru I could easily have become a guru and I had to go back through that entire system with a sledgehammer because if these guys were so smart 6,000 years ago when they wrote the vadas why didn't they know about Evolution right you could have observed evolution in goats in cows they were around animals the same way that mandal did the same with that marwin did right if these guys were getting their information directly from goldhead how come goldhead never nudged them and said you know when these two brown goats what what the kids look like okay so I had to go back and say you know yeah there is all this divine inspiration and the Divine knowledge out there that comes from meditation but at the end of the day even the great in 6,000 years of history of Enlightenment never got Evolution which is something they could have known but clearly were never informed of okay nowhere in the tradition and what did that tell you well what it tolds me is that we have to trust science right because none of the

[1:07:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rys_saLiDA&t=4050s) religious Traditions got Evolution and any single one of them could have so at that point we have to assume that these Traditions are people having spiritual experiences getting the best understanding of what happened that they can but it's basically like the medieval explanations for illness right people are writing down what happened to them in their spiritual experiences and treating it as the best available model but if this stuff is what people tell it is why not evolution in any of the old traditions so we've got to basically get into a position where we acknowledge the valid data of spiritual experience humans have been having these experiences from the beginning it's well documented we should be studying it right but at the same time we also have to accept that the traditional explanations are probably horeshit right so put your faith in science well put your faith in experience okay science is one way of knowing meditation is another way of knowing we have to accept on the scientific side that it throws out two-thirds of The Human Experience before even starts and we have to accept on the religious side that if this stuff is revealed truth where's the evolution because they got a lot of stuff right like I me the Hindu stories about how old the universe is and the composition of matter yeah that stuff is actually pretty close right okay but evolution is like the big one and nobody got it right okay those are good thoughts there on that same note what's the best advice you've ever received um God that's a great question um so the very best advice unfortunately I can't talk about but I would say the second best advice why not um so illegal 99 and 2000 I was heavily involved in uh building a cryptocurrency that would have had a lot of stuff in common with Bitcoin okay I was heavily involved in the eold economy uh which was a precursor to bitcoin right 80 million gold 80 million $90 million worth of gold sitting in vaults in Canada okay right it was real electronically traded is that what it was oh yeah okay account denominated in grams right okay so I would mail you a coin you would credit it to my eold account right if I wanted the gold back out I could retrieve it so they literally ran like asset based banking in Gold okay and it was fully fun fantastic stuff so um there were a couple things I learned on that that I'm not willing to talk about okay um but you know there's a blog post on my website that says I am not now nor have I ever been Satoshi Nakamura and it's there for a reason so um I thought Max Kaiser was Satoshi nakam yeah yeah yeah Nick Sabu um yeah

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