# Vinay Gupta - A Radical Manifesto for Fixing the World (part 2 of 3)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [677], part 2 of 3. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2021-08-25 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the law step (Mattereum, 2017), before the great powers step (Multipolar Realpolitik, 2024).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Global-tier governance framing for the plan.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - The New Economy: out of money, out of time, but not out of ideas (2010): One-page paper: the richest fifth are eating the planet, so the next economy has to be at peace with other... (suggested by machine)
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine)
  - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Climate politics & democracy (30%); Capitalism, consumption & resources (11%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: Afghanistan (5 here; 27 sources in all, earliest dated 2009, 1 undated); geoengineering (3 here; 13 sources in all, earliest dated 2010, 2 undated); global governance (3 here; 18 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); state support (1 here; 2 sources in all, earliest dated 2017); function of government (1 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2010); Cutting machinery (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 1 undated); The Cutting Machinery (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 1 undated); CO2 footprint (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2020); Pentagon (3 here; 39 sources in all, earliest dated 2002); ZOMBIE (1 here; 5 sources in all, earliest dated 2012)
- Importance: core-text score 0.55 (1.00 is the top), number 59 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [724] [Roundtable Discussion with Vinay Gupta and Bryan... (2024)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/724.md): close in content (cosine 0.94)
  - [704] [Vinay Gupta: Liberation, Culture, Conflict and Catastrophe (2024)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/704.md): close in content (cosine 0.93)
- On the same works, just before: [741] [Buckminster Fuller, Burning Man, and the Hexayurt |... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/741.md); [773] [Vinay Gupta — Incentive-based epistemology | Ideamarket... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/773.md); [245] [Vinay Gupta - Fab 16 presentation (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/245.md)
- On the same works, just after: [762] [MetaGame meets Vinay Gupta (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/762.md); [714] [Autonomous A1 - Taming Capitalism with Vinay Gupta of... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/714.md); [702] [Conversation With Pat Kane & Vinay Gupta (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/702.md)

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Cite as: Vinay Gupta - A Radical Manifesto for Fixing the World, video, 2021-08-25, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [677], https://guptaoption.com/texts/677.md.

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## Passages, part 2 of 3
[41:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=2504s) also one i wanted to push you in a what is what is the role of the state in this phase shift or whatever we might call it so you know um you've had quite a lot of people on the left arguing that we've experienced a transformation of the state over the last three decades sort of neoliberal hollowing out of the state yeah and the kovit 19 response has been a vindication of the old command and controlled state apparatus they point to examples like south korea compare those to some of the failures in the west and i'm you know i'm curious to ask you know to what extent do you think the the left position has credibility when it comes to the role of the state reinforcing that kind of old traditional model of linear commodity control bureaucratic state authority and i also wanted to push a bit more when it comes to sort of the trans boundary global threats like ecological or climate collapse does the left have a credible political program nobody has a credible political program there's there's nothing out there right i mean if you start measuring you know grams of co2 and calories of food and kilowatts of energy you know you either have a global standard of living substantially below mexico with very very few exceptions that's track one or there's track two you develop a bunch of wizzy new technology and that was the new technology sorts the entire problem out for you right those are the only two tracks there's nothing else right like there there just is no magic pixie where you have perfume perfect social organization you can have a middle-class standard of living within your co2 limits it's just no they're there right we don't know how to do that so you know the left can tell us that you know they're going to have a just fair egalitarian world which everybody has a little car and a little house and they've got you know perfect insulation all the rest of that stuff and they're still going to be showing us a plan for worlds which is consuming like five fun it's worth the resources because by the time you extend that to eight billion people and their kids uh you you're really really really sort of out of chips right it just isn't there right so similarly for all the plants on the right or the center or anywhere else the reason that you don't tend to see costed clams

[44:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=2654s) down to grams of carbon calories of food kilowatt of energy is that when somebody does those kind of costed plans they come to the conclusion that western civilization is completely unsustainable and then they start to freak out right so rather than getting a clean model of this it's like okay we're either headed for kind of global mexican village levels of living or we're going to do something really really radical with technology if we were very clear about that 30 years ago by the way we knew that 30 years ago it's just nobody would talk about it we could have spent the last 30 years spending half of our defense budgets on fusion reactors and if we'd gotten clean working fusion 15 years ago because we declassified everything and we'd worked our arches off with a multi deal with like 200 billion dollars a year about to spend on fusion we would have cracked it by now right or ultra cheap solar that's a 10 times factor cheaper than the solar that we have now and the batteries and all the rest of it like because we didn't model that there is no political solution we didn't really double down on the r d for the technology and that is a huge strategic error that we've made and you know at this point if anybody approaches me for fun to save the world that doesn't come with a spreadsheet forget it i'm not even examining that you know and by the way the the carbon emission thing gdp intensity per uh carbon intensity per unit of gdp is basically 250 i think it's a lot more about 260. but call it 250 grams of carbon per dollar of consumer spending ppp adjusted so what that means is if your carbon budget is two tons per person which by the way is india's current consumption um then you are in a position where you can spend basically eight thousand dollars a year and that is your hard cap for environmental sustainability everything after that is eating into the future and in fact we've already overspent so much that we don't even have that two tons a year really we have zero times a year so i've been digging down into this uh into the spreadsheet side if you will of this issue and i've been reading a bit of work by tim garrett and others who basically argue that it's not actually possible to decouple gdp growth from co2 emissions although many continue to believe it is possible it's a bit like you you sort of add a couple of lanes to the motorway and what happens well the traffic volume increases us which is quite fascinating really

[46:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=2804s) oh yeah i mean it's a it's a huge mess right it's a huge mess and we're very bad at dealing with that mess because we're very hard to do the inevitability of change um so you know let's talk about geoengineering for a second right so these guys are project vesta and their approach is you're just going to grind up a bunch of hills into olivine sand and then you're going to throw the sand into the sea and the carbon dioxide in the sea water reacts with the sand and then that increases the ability of the oceans to absorb more carbon dioxide you can basically pump the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere using the ocean looks pretty safe as geoengineering goes the costs are remarkably manageable and it looks like it might work right wouldn't it be funny if we just did something simple and sensible like that and it sorted out the entire mess now how do we get to the bottom of whether that's workable how do we get these guys the money to give it a try how do we get the money to scale it to the point where the world is already doing it at a level that works if only we were able to make sensible decisions because somebody acted like they were in charge and could make stuff like that stick so you know let's say the project vesta works and olivine grinding is actually a solution and then the un security council just imposes global carbon tax to pay for the people grinding up the rock problem solved right if we don't act like idiots we can deal with this stuff the problem is we are pathologically addicted to acting like idiots because rather than being honest about our problems and dealing with them we just pretend that nothing has happened

[48:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=2907s) so where do we think that change is going to come from because as an individual you want to hope that you have some kind of agency and control over your future and so there's been a real rise of kind of bottom-up climate activism and and all that but if i said oh um my mate vinay says that we should start living like mexicans so should we start recycling a bit more and all this kind of thing do you think the change it could ever come from from that on a broad scale or will it only come from a government legislation we need to wear masks otherwise i'll get a fine or will it be a kind of top-down bottom-up hybrid if you try and live a zero-carbon lifestyle in the uk today the government will arrest you and throw you in jail right it's that simple right why will they do this well the first thing you're going to start with is a zero co2 footprint house right and you're going to build that out natural materials like wood and turf and you're going to build yourself a hobby hole in the woods and then you're going to get busted for not having made vocal building codes but the same thing happens if you want to build an ultra efficient high tech house you know i got aluminium over styrofoam sheeting the whole thing is completely air sealed all the air circulation is done uh using an air-to-air heat pump um and you know the whole thing runs on solar panels and isn't connected to the grid and all the compost is uh the toilet waste is composted using a composting toilet right you're still going to get thrown in jail for building that and living in it they will force you to bulldoze it because it doesn't fit their way of doing things oh but it's much more environmentally friendly yeah we don't care right same thing if i build an ultra lightweight car right hey it weighs 200 kilograms it's made out of carbon fiber it gets 950 miles to the gallon and it runs on alcohol yeah that's really nice you're not allowed to put it on the road but it's really environmental yeah we don't care so it is illegal to live at zero footprint right now and if you do innovation towards that goal and you attempt to test that innovation by living in it you will go to jail the laws have to change and whether you think that you know having this kind of anarchy where people can design their own lifestyles and their own technologies and try it is a good thing or a bad thing even if you want this stuff regimented and licensed you have to start rewriting all the building codes and all the vehicle codes so that the first

[50:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3057s) indication is what the co2 performance is and then after that you're allowed to figure it out

[51:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3064s) so what's the is there a role of this kind of group that we discussed at the start of the the podcast that that huge middle class that uh top couple of percent or is the idea that there should be a role for that group part of some kind of colonial saver inclusivity complex that we've seen in a lot of kind of conflicts that might be going on right now for example so i mean he here i have to put on my indian political radical hop for a moment right which is um i totally ignore white people when they talk about being upset about racism unless they're in support of reparations if they're not in support of reparations they're only interested in the emotions not in the money and let me tell you colonialism colonialism was not about emotions it was about money so however much bleating is being done by quite political radicals about you know oh my god anti-racism it's so terrible intersectionality this the next thing i ask them a straight-up question what's your plan for reparations and if they don't have an answer i totally ignore whatever else they have to say because they haven't understood the problem and i'm not interested in their chatter simple as that colonialism was about money fixing colonialism is also about money um the second part of that is so what do we do with the mass of people that feel bad about the way the world is going and want to do something better i think in the uk the labour party is very very vulnerable to attack by the greens and i think that concerted effort to blackmail the labour party into assuming uh into passing radical environmental policy uh points by blackmailing them with the threat of mass defection to the green party is a highly realistic way of forcing the labour party in a great direction uh and you know i call this the reverse waterproof melon strategy but it's red on the outside and green on the inside um i suppose red apples are like that they're red on the outside green on the inside um so i think that in the uk locally the possibility of simply forcing green values down the neck of the labour party is very plausible uh it would also be nice if we could force some socialist values down the neck of the labour party i think that would be a great idea too um because right now they've fallen into this kind of playwright trap and in that blue right trap they're basically like a more functional version of the conservative party and that turns out not to actually be what british people want for the most part because when you

[53:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3214s) give them the option of some kind of middle of the road scandinavian socialism they'll take it as we've seen in for example scotland you know so a kind of middle of the road scandinavian socialist future for the uk i think is entirely plausible it'd be nice if we had a political party that represented them um but getting those folks who also have some kind of green politics that is going to take some shenanigans and some machinery um but for the most part um i found a polite way of putting this um there are an enormous number of people who are expressing their discomfort about the future by kind of pointing right there there's a kind of wingy almost like neo-vegan complaining about environment and i think that grethenberg has done a really good job of demonstrating that there is something beyond whining to be done and that something is actually pretty effective right but you know turning the emotional sense of something is wrong with something got to be done into a set of actual policy proposals nobody's built that bridge yet even the green party's platform is a joke right if you turn it into spreadsheets it makes no sense there's no deliverable so somebody is going to have to build the technocratic bridge of doing the numerical modeling of these possible future societies and then nailing down those numerical models as platform points here is our numerical model and it says we're going to sink 50 of our defense policy into energy research and we estimate that's got a 70 probability of delivering on one of these four breakthroughs and a 30 probability of delivering something even better fantastic right now we're going to do a whole bunch of cost adjusted modeling for those risks and at the end of that we can say that's going to be our energy policy until we actually start getting this down to grams and calories nobody's environmental policy means anything in the same way that nobody's anti-racism policy means anything until we get down to reparations you know at the end of the day it's about money it's about numbers it's about grams of food it's about whose children start death when

[55:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3351s) so in building this bridge i've been listening to this conversation basically entirely through the lens of this alternative democratic structure that you mentioned at the beginning which was uh where you have only the young people choosing and you mentioned that we've got two avenues we've got uh lowering the standard of living for the top 10 percent to somewhere around mexico and having radical technological developments where uh ai makes the decisions is that correct not very i make some decisions but where we go and fix the fundamental industrial processes using whatever means are available right artificial intelligence solar panels fusion reactors you know if you really double down and say like look this is a technological crisis you wind up with you know manhattan project level force being applied to both uh geoengineering and queen energy on queen food so if you are a candidate in this new democratic structure what were your would your three policy changes be and how would you share why they're uh the ones that are valuable and why they work to a group between the ages of 12 and 30. okay so the first thing is i would declare a global permanent state of emergency until not a single human being died of starvation in the previous 12 months right we have to get really serious it is a humanitarian emergency until people stop dying of starvation and to that i would also add certain kinds of preventable disease and a few other things but starvation is really easy to measure and that's the big one right once people understand that the government they're dealing with actually cares about their lives and is interested in helping them to stay alive at that point it becomes much easier to trust your government so if we say look we're going to eradicate homelessness and we're going to make sure that there are no people that have untreated mental illness that could be helped and we're going to take care of all of that stuff and we're going to do that stuff first at that point it's much easier to believe that the government actually cares about your individual well-being than the current situation where the government talks about caring about your well-being and still allows like for example war veterans who gave the productive part of their lives to that government to rot in the streets of ongoing mental illness and homelessness and alcoholism so step one nobody gets left behind

[58:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3501s) step two that includes your grandchildren or we're not going to sacrifice your junk children's well-being for your current entertainment so at that point we're going to start putting an unbelievable amount of money energy power intellectual capital behind solving the fundamental problems right we're going to absolutely step on the gas and we're going to fix this and that is going to be space race level spending in these you know plenitude of high-tech areas and that you know begins to percolate through the university system it percolates through funding the research councils all the rest of that stuff you put the country on a war footing until such time as you've gotten some kind of reasonable solution to the real problems we have and then the third thing is we start questioning the role of inherited wealth and we start looking very seriously what it takes to you know level the uh enormous non-productive accumulations of wealth and power inside of the various corners of society that have been hanging onto those privileges unearned for literally a thousand years right and that third point is extremely important because the people that feel like they are generationally insulated from the consequences of their actions by wealth that was 1 000 years ago or 500 years ago or 200 years ago those people are hugging a dramatic amount of the innovation capital in this society right you just can't get things done in this world because the incumbents are very very very fond of stopping people changing things and we need to change things really quickly so the idea that you are specifically going to strip power away from incumbents and push it towards the edges um believe it or not the critical tool for doing that is inflation right um if you couple inflation with the right kind of approaches to things like taxes on one land you could very very quickly create circumstances which break down inherited wealth and they break down unearned income and they push those resources back into the mainstream where they can get some other work done and i think that that as an approach begins to offer a much more universal democratic mandate where it's not that like your great grandfather won the lottery in your family will be unproductive for the next 12 generations rather it's you know you've got yourself

[1:00:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3651s) a nice house out in the country and you'll be able to hold on to it definitely but you're not going to be able to hold on to the five villas uh dotted around the world unless you're doing something that actually matters to people and i think the combination of things like land value taxes and controlled inflation have the prospect of making it nearly impossible for people to build little castles and then hide about hide out with them um and you know how much of the productive assets in the western powers is currently hung up in those kind of wealth reserves it's a lot right and breaking those things down you know is that socialism i just think of it as running a competitive economy where we make it very difficult for people to hang on to assets that aren't doing put into any kind of productive use a few percent of inflation and some kind of sensible taxation on things like property very quickly you can force assets back into productivity vote gupta progressive utilization theory for all these policies are very effective if the society recognizes the collapse already upon us and as you said at the beginning many rich societies don't recognize us so society is already collapsed um so how do you push that into the brain of a voter and sort of establish a decision-making process that isn't centered around individualism so the politicians are all liars and we require the politicians to be wires before we let them run for an election that's how it works right campaign finance you know both parties are pondering to the rich in america even in the uk to a dramatic degree the labour party is funded by the same corporate interests that fund the conservatives so the first thing you've got to do is you have to demonetize politics right just get rid of the concept of campaign finance political parties have members paid dues or some other you know appropriate mechanism but no corporate money and no more individual donors the rich do not get to buy a political voice um and you know potentially you turn the entire thing into a mass amateurization right is it a political campaign sure the political campaign is run by local volunteers that come around and knock on doors and that's all there is there is no advertising there is no nothing is that unthinkable sure it's

[1:03:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3801s) unthinkable is it any more unthinkable than a lot of other unthinkable things we're facing not really you know breaking the world by poisoning the atmosphere that is something nuclear war that is unthinkable biological war that is unthinkable somehow we find ways of doing those unthinkable things why not these unthinkable things you know it's not it's not irrational right if you look at the level of effort that we put into the trident thing you know nuclear retaliation okay we might agree that nuclear retaliation is an important capacity to have but a lot of other things are also very important let us also find those um and it's it's not a simple guns and butter thing you know like if you're going to be spending an awful lot of money or on high-tech science and industry type stuff it returns benefits to the whole of the society whether the spending is on nuclear submarines or space probes or you know sensible looking electric cars you know as long as you're paying scientists and engineers to go and do science and engineering and as long as the result is being published in either patents or open source you know you're generating economic growth in a very realistic way you know i i absolutely believe that you can have things like defense keynesianism work your shotgun take care of that damn fly um but yeah i absolutely believe you could have things like defense keynesia doesn't work and it's not just defense kidneys it's lots of other kinds of scientific you know scientific establishment keynesianism and again what's the evidence that works look at america their entire economy is basically held together by defense spending into the defense spending stops america will implode well fine okay you're going to have keynesian spending through the scientific and technical establishment but let's make that green energy and efficient cars and efficient houses rather than only nuclear bombs and you know crazy laser cannons all right well thank you vinay um could i run for political office be on the cards um if somebody shows me a political office worth running for i was certainly very interested in doing that but right now there is no political office worth having well you heard it here first i i think also what you're saying really is you know that um this is in a sense a call to adventure it's about empowering people

[1:05:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=3951s) especially young people to believe that they do actually have agency and indeed that you know a very old-fashioned idea that the state can actually be a vehicle for for that the kind of change they want to see in the world yeah and look the problem is the state is under the control of the old the old people are not willing to sacrifice to solve the problems of the young so if we believe that young people are the future we have to stop old people voting see said it with a straight face that sounds like something you could see in a campaign ad vote for me i'll stop the old people voting now there's a political platform for the 21st century great okay well um we are running towards the close um thank you so much again for taking the time out of your busy schedule i do want to hand over to zuri for our last question

[1:06:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4002s) so i guess my last question is um what advice you have for young people who are just you know taking in the enormity of the task that lies ahead of us um and you know trying to carve out career paths so that we still can participate in society and not all get thrown in jail for trying to have alternative lifestyles um and also stay mentally well particularly i feel like meditation and wellness has been co-opted as part of the hustle culture it's like oh you're feeling really overwhelmed by the fact climate change is going to ruin your life here do 10 minutes of meditation you'll feel great we're also making billions of dollars off this but no worries um which kind of feels like kind of feeds into i mean i don't know if it's necessarily true but it feels like there's a mounting anxiety in general like depres like all around generational depression because of the way the world is if that's anything new i'm not sure but it feels like it's almost in the interest of the world of the powers that be to keep us in that state and feed us this false wellness culture um how would you advise young people to stay mentally well and resilient what have you found really works for you i guess so what works for me will not really work for young people because i was lucky enough to do the majority of that work in the 1990s where i could spend four or six hours a day meditating because i was living in chicago and my friends had big apartments and they were at work all day and they didn't mind having some you know uh hindu meditator you know borrowing their spare room and you know i'd be in town for a while and then i'd move on to the next place right like the ecological niches that supported me becoming enlightened have largely dried up right it's very hard to find the kind of economic slack to do that kind of massive practice these days and that's a real problem i mean it's very like all the people that are kind of my students very few people have the ability to put in that kind of practice um and as a result you will not get people getting enlightened in their 20s they'll get enlightened in their 40s and 50s and that there are certainly issues around that there are some also some good groups working on those problems um so practically speaking the first piece of advice i have is this right um the the simplest way of approaching the kind of general malaise of the young at this point is flipping the switch on responsibility right it's either you that's crazy or it's them that's crazy but one way or the

[1:09:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4152s) other somebody in this situation is crazy either the young people are crazy for thinking that the world is getting into a really difficult corner or the old people crazy for thinking that everything is fine right you know these are two diametrically opposed world views one of them is right and the other is wrong a lot of what causes the young people stress is that they've been trained to respect everybody else's opinion and most of those people are just wrong so thing one greta thundberg has figured out the correct way of solving the bullies of the young which is she makes it very clear who is right and who is wrong and she makes it very clear what her position is and i think that that should be seen as being like dropping a seed crystal into a solution you know young people can crystallize out around the thunder break through a fight i've been thinking about this very hard and i have to say you are wrong you are the problem and you should change and we've had enough of this right and i think for most young people the majority of their anxiety and their kind of low-grade mental illness would go away if they simply accepted that other people are wrong and they are right and they've been trained not to think that way because we tried to change your generation to be nicer and it turns out we made them nicer to the point where they can't make up their minds so thing one gret thundberg is the crystallization moment it's like oh i've just figured out how i can improve my mental health you bastards what have you done to us step one right um the second thing is you know yoga is effective right half a yoga hatha yoga is effective but half a yoga is an interim practice right so there are a couple of practices before yoga then there is hatha yoga then there is a thing called pranayama right and pranayama is the funny yogic breathing thing so we have enormous numbers of people doing half a yoga and almost nobody is doing pranayama so as a result they're getting stuck at a developmental stage where they've got tons of physical energy and they've got no idea what to do and their consciousnesses are very unstable and they're really distractible and i see huge amounts of this from the young generation of yoga practitioners because if you don't do a lot of pranayama in the five years after you've done a lot of asana practice you don't develop proper yoga consciousness you get stuck at an interim stage and right now half a yoga is getting a lot of people stuck at the interim stage they have to do the pranayama and after the

[1:11:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4302s) pranayama that's when the meditation really becomes super effective so you know the way that you get out with the mindfulness thing is you have to put the steps of yoga in the proper sequence right first you the you know you do the moral cleanup then you do the physical postures then you do the breathing exercises then you do the meditation and just getting those developmental stages in the right order will very rapidly push people out of this kind of mindfulness gutter that they're in uh into something that looks like the bra this one the stable practitioner consciousness you know there's a very very very real set of steps to be made there um and then the third thing is again the sort of effective action principle um the young people you know perceive themselves to basically be being picked on by the whole society because everybody has more stuff than the young people right you know you got all of the money that really should have been going into the pockets of the young went into iraq and afghanistan over the past 20 years as a result the young people are screwed financially um and on that level i think a general acceptance of the young people have been cheated out of their uh sort of educations and their health care and all the rest of this stuff by 20 years of war you know that is not the common understanding for the young people what went wrong in their societies but the 2008 financial collapse is because all the money went into iraq and afghanistan and now that we're leaving afghanistan in a total shambles i think it's time for the young people to have a general settling of accounts with society which is you sat on your hands while the money that should have supported us got spent on these fruitless useless wars and by the way now we have the absolute hard proof that those your words were fruitless and useless because you've left the water over and what have you accomplished and i think now is the time for young people to start really seriously forcing the point and again in the uk particularly on the labour party right because the conservative party doesn't care and you're not going to convince them but the labour party is vulnerable to reform and the labour party of course gave just that great winning champion tony blair and when we start talking about this as blair made the decision that we were going to participate in this force and as a result the young people are impoverished and the country is bankrupt and the western powers as a whole have completely lost control of their

[1:14:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4452s) futures i think that settling those scores will seriously discourage the next generation of politicians from doing that crap and that means a very serious renegotiation by the young inside of things like the labour party to make very very very very sure that the future leadership never repeats the player betrayal thank you very much that was very insightful very helpful we've been talking to be insightful and help for often two very separate things but you know it's time to start drawing up a list of names right and saying we're never going to let anybody like that be in power again and you have to nip them in the bat you have to catch someone you're young and you have to kick them out of politics before they begin to just establish these kind of followings the world can't afford another tony player if the uk had not backed america on iraq and afghanistan if we'd just been like look there are two million people on the streets protesting saying this must not happen i'm very sorry i have to go with my constituents sod all of you we're not coming to your war bugger off the entire trajectory which changed over the past 20 years right we had an enormous role to play as the uk we were very very powerful and ratifying the madness of the americans and if we had refused to participate the world would have been dramatically better place and now is the time for accountability inside of the labour party to settle those scores and put into rights of course many young people who may be listening to this weren't actually born before 9 11. right so they've never known a world that wasn't informed by the consequences the repercussions of that critical juncture never known the world in which the americans weren't the bad guys it's hard to be young these days i i would not easily have wished on people um you know the 90s looking back like the 90s was pretty rough and scrappy on its way but you know compared to the present world it was a cakewalk i'm not going to argue with you on that one yeah and on this you know the notion that we've got a generation of people who are let's say below 25 maybe it's a little older maybe it's below 30 but you know they've been born into a world

[1:16:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4602s) wrecked by stupid political decision making in the three years after 9 11. you know between kind of you know 2001 and 2003 maybe 2004 the entire trajectory of the next 20 years was set by a bunch of people but with hindsight i think we could clearly be these people were morons nothing that they said was true and nothing that they promised happened and the threats that they were afraid of were the wrong threats um and simply you know for young people to understand like your lives were ruined by much morons that threw the world off a cliff in 2001 and then doubled down on it in 2002 2003 and that's why you got served this you know absolute nonsense you know in terms of state support and state uh intervention you know like okay right so politics does matter yeah politics does matter right and that notion of like you know our wives were destroyed by political decision-making that happened shortly or you know right around when we were born and if we are not going to have the rest of our lives determined by that we have to get involved in politics and we have to take a never again policy to all of this nonsense i think that there is an enormous amount of room for the total takeover of the political parties by the young they just have to believe that they can get in there and by sheer force of numbers eradicate the kind of people that will ruin their futures if they're allowed to rule and the way that you win that fight is not in the general elections it's by controlling who it is to run in the general elections control of the parliamentary uh apparatus happens with control of the political parties and if the young don't join the political parties in enormous numbers and start participating they're going to get a bunch of candidates which are selected by old people whose interests are completely diverted from the interests of young people now so even within the existing crappy apparatus there are still a whole bunch of strategic places to make that fight and you know the labour party is only going to be able to exile and you know disenfranchise the young for so long you know they're not going to be able to expel all the young people to join the political parties because otherwise they have no future and if there is a critical fight to be won it's probably the fight for the control of the labour party because you know that the tories have lost themselves to the past and a large-scale popular

[1:19:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ty27zTfcRU&t=4752s) you know youth rebellion where people join the labour party and then start pushing it towards green agendas i think there is an enormous opportunity for blackmailing the labour party into a better agenda because the threat is if you don't give us these green points we're all going to quit join the green party and that's a point where it's possible to blackmail better behavior out for one of the political parties because they're in a terrifyingly weak position right now and that's the time to get in there and do greta thunderberg's work up close with a hammer well i know we have some ucl alumni who are indeed actively engaged in trying to galvanize some of those processes so we will see and i think this you know probably could be the topic for another podcast episode with some of those students perhaps or alumni but you know i'm pretty apolitical generally speaking like i don't generally believe in political parties um but we are at a point right now in the uk's particular national destiny where the labour party could be you know taken over by the young turned into their party and forced to do its goddamn job and i think that's worth fighting for i mean one of my ancestors was very nearly deported to australia for union organizing there is definitely a red thread in the group of consciousness but albeit mostly on the henderson side um and you know what else is there in the uk that has the possibility of reorganizing the state to do its job properly right it kind of is going to be you know won or lost inside of the labour party and for example their decision to kick ken luch out what kind of labour party kicks out kenwood you know it's like the himalayas deciding to kick out mount everest you just can't do that um so yeah i think you know if people are looking for a concrete thing to do uh i think the reconquista the labour party about the young is um it's an achievable goal and i think it's worthy and worth working towards

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