# Panel discussion - Internet of Agreements - Space (part 1 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [612], part 1 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2018-07-16 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the law step (Mattereum, 2017), before the great powers step (Multipolar Realpolitik, 2024).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Space side strand.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
  - The Future of Stuff (2020): Book on the philosophy under Mattereum: risk and morality in deals about physical things. (suggested by machine)
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  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - environment / green capitalism: Green economics: from oil efficiency to markets for facts about products. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine)
  - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Property, NFTs & real-estate transactions (29%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: space industry (4 here; 6 sources in all, earliest dated 2016); Brexit (3 here; 9 sources in all, earliest dated 2017); Mars (4 here; 34 sources in all, earliest dated 2014); space law (1 here; 2 sources in all, earliest dated 2018); Swarm (3 here; 29 sources in all, earliest dated 2008); emerging markets (1 here; 5 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); science fiction (2 here; 37 sources in all, earliest dated 2011); hackathon (1 here; 12 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); Estonia (1 here; 13 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); supply chain (3 here; 92 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 4 undated)
- Importance: core-text score 0.13 (1.00 is the top), number 465 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [572] [How To Address Climate Change: Diplomacy, Politics,... (2022)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/572.md): close in content (cosine 0.92)
  - [793] [COP26 Event: The Circular Economy - Finance and Data for... (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/793.md): close in content (cosine 0.91)
- On the same works, just before: [732] [Vinay Gupta - How Blockchain will change our global... (2018)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/732.md); [618] [Vinay Gupta - Space - Internet of Agreements (2018)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/618.md); [619] Katherine Courtney - Space - Internet of Agreements (2018)
- On the same works, just after: [608] Kryha - Internet of Agreements - Space (2018); [609] James Bruegger - Internet of Agreements - Space (2018); [610] Jerry Stone - Internet of Agreements - Space (2018)

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Cite as: Panel discussion - Internet of Agreements - Space, video, 2018-07-16, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [612], https://guptaoption.com/texts/612.md.

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## Passages, part 1 of 2
[0:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=0s) awesome so I guess I want to ask a question to each and every single one of you this has been quite an eclectic event by way of the diversity of perspectives that we're representing across the space ecosystem so we have had startups inspiring us aspirational entrepreneurs we have VCS and investors and funds we have talking about Mars and changing Mars to earth version two we're talking about big Bitcoin and sort of crypto and actual blockchain applications in space and I know that was something you didn't dive into but you could probably give a bit more information on what today for each and every one of you has been your highlight so far yeah okay yeah so I mean for me it's been I mean I'm in the blockchain space I don't really interact with too many aerospace people other than we do these little tangents to the ESA or something so it's super cool seeing this intersection and how many people are interested in the intersection itself I mean for me I think it's a perfect fit so seeing the actual size the people here that came out and they're asking questions and getting involved yeah to me is just super cool to see that like the size of it alone that's kind of I'm still commanding that well absolutely agree two years ago three years ago it was perceived as as science fiction now everyone is talking about blockchain for space which is very important and I believes it we're at the very beginning the inception of something great something big and we should be kind of kept moving and it's very beginning and many things to be achieved absolutely well I'm still as I said I'm a complete noob in this domain so I'm still taking it all in now probably have to think about it with the beer tonight they're in my hotel room afterwards and come back with a better with a better answer tomorrow but I I think I like the way that all of all of you guys are thinking not only about the technology but also about real real problems and real applications and not only on the on the technical side but also the well we had some talks about about the legal aspect with the the cultural side as well and almost at the philosophical level as well in the way of dealing with or without the government and in that part of the discussion is well more than the more than the technical side even was

[2:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=150s) really interesting I think I think I'm going to add but I really loved conversation regarding legal aspect of actually going to space and who owns what and who can do what and who is guilty for what for me that is an eye opener and it's somebody who actually knows their stuff who parts of information for me so that was great but ever even that seeing the reception from a space industry and the intersection between ball chain and space that is just amazing so I'm really happy to see people interested from both sides to interact and to actually work together okay so my area really is just in space exploration and when I get the invitation to come and speak here though I've got to say but my initial reaction was blockchain you know I mean we talked about finance logistics and stuff like that doesn't really fit in with what I do but oh my god am I glad that I've been here today you know it's been for me really exciting really interesting and especially that this is pretty much getting in right at the beginning of this kind of activity and movement yeah I can see that she's gonna be a big thing in the future it's really you need to invest it's just it's just really interesting hearing about the intersection of what we've kind of all come to experience today because I've been knocking about in this sector for a couple of years and it's really interesting seeing the acceleration particularly in London outside of the hot spots that we have around the UK particularly in Berlin and in Bremen where I know Magni who is one of the cofounders of disrupt space and it's so interesting because something that I'm gonna put you on the spot a bit Magni because we want this to be open with everyone here is something that disrupt space was doing about two years ago was bringing together innovative space startups and aspiring entrepreneurs and putting them in a fuzzy on conference pretty much like today with the likes of Airbus and ISA to help deals get done and it's really interesting because I think an outcome of what you achieved has really set the trend in the sector where ISA had have now deployed incubation centers we now have one in the UK we were in Estonia in November where they launched one out there and it's really interesting seeing

[5:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=300s) how this sector is really scaling up not only in Europe but across the world but this audience is connecting globally and that's the great thing about space because it incorporates each and every one of us Maggie please could you just wave so everyone can say hello to you at some point Magne yeah so I guess if you were looking to meet someone today in this room or someone who you could meet with to help each and every one of you on your main outcome I know you've sort of semi pitched but I want you to nail it in like what answer who is it that you'd like to talk for talk to you because sometimes not everyone in and audiences as open as maybe I am and saying this is what I want this is what I'm looking for who are you looking to meet and talk to you in connect with today well I mean we've been talking of that back behind stage and also we've been interested in looking in like legal aspects and those are the finding Rockets and finding legal help our two biggest bottlenecks and so I think we've been finding some good help so far well for me it's mostly finding alike mines and doing something together bringing to a larger scale and doing something related to scale and and together rather than trying to build your own stuff because we have at very early stage and we are competing against very logic operations at the moment and I believe it's really the power in unity doing it things together wait can I just add you should have seen how happy they were to meet each other like oh my god like I have to take a picture of them just because alright you want to send something to the moon I can help you with that okay therefore for me it's it's be about understanding a bit better the technology how we can help us in our in our business and as well discuss opportunities for you guys for launches as well but but satellites and how we help you building your infrastructure with the infrastructure that we can that we can provide okay well mine is pretty

[7:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=450s) simple I need people to book me a satellite get me to come and give a talk on some aspect of space or to book my space workshops speeding books by the book to carry them home or even to sponsor me okay so no quite serious about this next year is the 50th anniversary of the first I'm going to be incredibly busy I have several new presentations I'm working on so for example next year is also the 500th anniversary of the first the start of the first circumnavigation of the world Magellan's voyage [Music] so I'm developing a new presentation called around the world and off to the moon so it compares Magellan's trip with that of Apollo 11 and I'm also working on being able to have a cardboard Saturn 5 150th scale so that means it's over 7 feet high those schools will assemble and keep and so on and other activities if I can get sponsorship to help me with that so that I can keep the cost down for the schools that's the main thing schools budgets are really appalling these days yeah well possibly every single time I have applied I've been someone else who seems to have something which is and yet what are these keep saying and have been saying for the last six years on BBC on every sport thing get inspired so I said well why can't we use space to inspire the next generation of scientists engineers all the useful people that we're gonna need in the future surely that is as important as inspiring sports so that's the message I'm trying to pull all right when I go to a school I don't pretend for one instant though all the pupils in the classroom are gonna grow up with careers in the space industry I mean who

[10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=600s) knows they might be lucky well I do point out that practically every career has some link to space I mean you might be working in in TV so sky TV which ought to be called space TV they use satellites to transmit stuff you might be a lawyer space law is a huge and rapidly growing area so there's all kinds of options and so if I can get students to be inspired and to be interested in following the STEM subjects then to me that that's job done it's super important because we coming from the sort of Dyson well the point where the intersection of tech and space comes we don't have enough developer talent we don't have enough engineers and even if we doubled the number of kids going to you need to take an engineering degree we still wouldn't fulfill the deficit that we need and what I'm looking at solutions that we can look at maybe getting apprenticeship training scary schemes to really help share talent is that are you guys liking any particular talent or skill set that you need to maybe help you guys scale with what you're building is that something you're finding or are you okay with the the kind of teams and as you're looking to scale and build your business we're like more community and we just people pulling in from everywhere so I mean yeah we can take all the knowledge we can get but pretty much everyone just kind of jumps in and does their own thing so yeah if you if anyone wants to they can just jump in I think we've got the mic to throw around are there any immediate burning questions and you would like to ask us otherwise with roadies hello it really will it's an observation I started organizing this conference about 18 about about a month and a half ago and it was a subject than you nothing about I knew and I love affair about about blockchain but nothing about space and I thought this is you know what is there out there and the more I look the more I found that it was a hell of a lot of stuff going on between blockchain and space and there's everything from the

[12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=750s) sort of stuff that's been talked about here through to NASA doing a debris tracking project ISA and Airbus and Lockheed Martin doing supply chain management they've got projects in that they're all early stages but they're not very well known they're not known by the blockchain community and they're not known by the space community but trying to get speakers from those organizations to come and be with you today was really difficult in a way it's all slightly too early I think when we run this conference again next year which we will do it'll be a whole different affair I think there will be a lot more talk about those people but right now it's just kind of the objective was make you aware of this crossover but secondly also to put your minds onto the much bigger picture much bigger picture is where Gerry was talking about you know it's it's we have to leave this planet you know our survivability as a species now depends on it and there are so many different parts of that it's from what the big guys are doing with the big rockets and what Gerry has been talking about the big missions but also about all of you guys you know the blockchain and community has its part to play in incrementally building out parts of the technology we need to get there so that's really you know what I'd like to leave you with it's so interesting because I think everybody who's spoken today and is attending today everyone has a different vision of why we want to look outwards for me and I'd love to ask you guys as well it's it's not necessarily the same thing that Elon wants to do in creating like there might be a earth catastrophe that makes sure that we have a insurance policy if you want to call it that for the human race I love what you are doing with the proposals around the moon village they have a creative artist in residence who's already designing temples that depict what it could be like for a non-denominational it's like as we progress in our steps as we move forward and move to the moon and galaxy gateway or to Mars and beyond so it's really interesting for me because I'm all about exploration and I think it's something quite human and instinctive to want to look outwards and forwards and

[15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=900s) see what the capability of emerging technology is to enable that and that's where I do believe that blockchain will be the foundation and the reason why I talked about supply chain for a real world example today as as much as that FMCG brand is looking at like deploying blockchain to really build a foundation of where they want to take future supply chain they've only just started thinking about it so many corporate executive teams and senior leaders as much as we are enriching ourselves and delved into this technology so many people that higher ranking business level are only just understanding why that technology is relevant and why they should even be considering it as a line on their budget to start investing in and that's where the hacking world have like startups and scrappy scallops for me is so interesting because we look at the MVP the Minimum Viable Product to see an idea because let's be honest no one's going to be talking about AI or blockchain as much as it's the buzzword out there not for us in here no one's just going to lay down 50 in euros or dollars or pounds to build a solution without at least testing and training it so it's really important that those of us that are taking these initial steps and are really putting ourselves out there to be part of this sector that's emerging and has constantly been evolving since the sixties technology has come to a point now where it's accelerating the time scale for us to deploy it but a lot of the foundation work is still being done so I just took that and rift I'd love to know from you guys nice to keep saying you guys I'm really sorry why are you why why space why what what it what drives you because that's me that's what I'm passionate about yeah sure so back in the day I grew a network called the blockchain Education Network weird kids basically put Bitcoin clubs on the University campuses and the whole idea was that you can empower an individual to take extreme initiative in their local community and the change that created especially when seeing them doing it pair with other people was huge like an in aggregate it was the global revolution of the grassroots blockchain effort and I see something very similar now where you can use the same technology that's very accessible and it enables a participation from downloading an app on an app store and you can apply these for these concepts from an area that normally people look at or they see on TV some great astronaut but now is the chance that you know every human can

[17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1050s) be an astronaut or can be part of these efforts in a very significant way and so that level of access and participation really rustles my jimmies yeah well as far as I remember myself I always wanted to do something special I hated I believe that many of us have this gene gene of explorers that drives us drives us out of our homes after our beds every morning and we really want to achieve something beyond our daily life I was in the FinTech before I was running a company similar to PayPal in Eastern Europe and in Asia then I sold the company and I decided that I want to do something else so I started doing blockchain and space bit later and for me it's something which really kind of drives me rather than just simple financial transactions and we should think outside of the box when you talked about the corporates and how they use new technologies including blockchain is sometimes they're trying to use it for incremental innovations they don't want to take a risk to disrupt to disrupt their business models to disrupt their lives well they're they have shareholders they have many things to lose but startups or people individuals they are more flexible and they really are ready to take the risk they're less constrained and I believe that it's very important that the new blockchain movement which had always had less constraints and corporate world is driven into space industry now and I believe that we can overcome many struggles something which we thought was not possible will become possible his SpaceX was able to cut cost ten times and blockchain paste distributed system can cut it even more so i I've worked on several satellite says I've been involved in several satellites project as an engineer first and as a business developer afterwards and so I have a bunch of hardware which is in orbit now and that's just a feeling that is impossible to explain that's just that's just super cool so why space because it's awesome it's just as simple as that I also think that in in the u.s. in Europe we've also forgotten what how it can drive people as well I work with with countries who are starting their their space program now as well in in North Africa and in the Middle East Southeast Asia and and that's really something that they that they use to put

[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1200s) themselves on the on the map they are already on the map in a lot of different industries the but they use the use space also to to show to the rest to the rest of the world that they can that they can do it and that they can be heard some do that with a nuclear missiles and then they invite the US president others just decide to do it even more in a more peaceful way peace and that's that's I think what's what's important as well and that's we have to we have to remind ourselves that's also the reason why it started I mean for me it's just I always considered space cool I mean ever since I was a kid and from just a fact that you cannot actually put something in space now for me is just I'm sorry I really feel bad I don't have something in the orbit but the other thing that I've noticed there's something actually more specific to with people I work with so we're watching consultancy development company and the moment we launch this product it was just about swarm just overall swarm technology I mean it's interesting it's exciting and lit but a lot of our people did AI so swarm is exciting for people to do it once you add on top of it then you say we're gonna do it with drones like this is gonna be so much cooler and then uh yeah you know the drones are cool but now let's do it with satellites in space developers actually excited to write whitepapers business plans I'm not kidding here people get this natural excitement about space it's something they haven't thought about that they could do and now you're selling putting in front of it like yeah you can actually do it's not that difficult just have the right mindset have the right people that can help you with it and find somebody to launch it done so for me business with things like people get excited it's something new again so why not yeah building first satellite and then the engineers are not really interesting in writing documentation again actually on the subject documentation Wernher von Braun used to say that when the the weight of the documentation equals the weight of the rocket then it's time to launch but I mean passionate about space inside really next week I'll be celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of my first space talk which I did when I was at school when I was 14 years old and if you ask school children what do you what subjects are you interested in you know

[22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1350s) they might say history or mathematics or so but then you ask what subjects are you excited about space space it is the one he just knocks them away I get teachers say to me I get emails you know you came to us last month and the pupils are still talking about it they're not gonna forget this for a long long time and this is it sorry that the so the stand of thing is young people are interested in two things dinosaurs and Space Flight so few years ago comic relief's theme for their red noses was dinosaurs and I usually do demonstration air rocket launching at the end of the day and one day I was checking over stock refitting for feedings and so on and I thought hang on my rocket has a red nose cone so I contacted the schools that I was going to during the next month which happened to be March and comic relief was going on and I said instead of me launching the Rockets your pupils can launch them for a two-pound donation to comic relief and we put a dinosaur comic relief red nose on it so we combine dinosaurs and spaceflight and down the side of the rocket if I had it printed I launched this red nose cone rocket for comic relief and that first year we raised about 500 pounds comic relief's that they've never heard of anybody raising money for charity by launching rockets and then you know you even need to wow this is cool and that's it space is cool it excites people I mean when I first was really getting into this there were actually occasionally people who asked me why I was interested in space and that created a problem for me because I couldn't understand why they had to ask wasn't it obvious you know I mean we're doing things we'd never done before in the entire history of mankind know I said look I don't

[25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1500s) denigrate explorers like Columbus and Magellan and undergarments on but when it comes down to the bottom line they went from one country to another country where there were other people there there was food to eat air to breathe a blue sky they didn't leave the planet and fly across a quarter of a million miles of space and land on another world I saw that happen live I regard myself very privileged and it's that kind of the recreation of that experience I hope we kind of get next year I've I'm part of a small group with the British interplanetary society looking at how the Apollo at 50 as I'm referring to it can be celebrated and I produced a list of people organizations places events that might get involved in this and in bullet point it runs for over three pages no it's not just the Institute of Physics and the Royal Society and so well Greenwich Observatory we're hoping to have a mass picnic in the in the park there but other things I went past the BFI IMAX and half it was covered in this huge advert for coaster with this huge coffee cup and I thought okay let's see if we can get Koster to produce some templates that can be used in all of their shops and you could sprinkle something over the top of your cup of coffee and you've got a lunar footprint outlined there and there's other ways things like have I got space news for you and the producer of Qi is very interested in doing something I'd love to see Helen shaman versus Tempe hosting a team when have I got space for you yeah that would be great yeah I mean potentially we can we can get these people and you know it could be really great but we would pair them with a comedian who knows is interested in space so we've got a dar obreon and in fact anybody here who has any ideas for ways of celebrating apollo 50 please

[27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1650s) come see me afterwards I'd love to talk to audiences have any questions I would like to share a comment touching on tonsil upon of Mattereum touching on some of things which had already been said and looking back to the opening of this conference and some of the things which Vinay Gupta said I wonder what the panel see as the most exciting of the most important humanitarian implications of the marriage between blockchain technology and space travel and space exploration yeah I mean for me I thought he could compare a space shuttle before as being competitions between nations that to nations you know the the communist world and the capitalist world are competing to see who could be the best in space and I really like the idea that now it's quite different the technology exists and now there's enough people who are capable of participating and collaborating and in this new world we're seeing that collaboration is a fighting force to work with and what we can accomplish has humanity people of all different countries collaborating on goals that they find enthusiastic and fun to do I think that is a paradigm which is kind of hard to comprehend as how globalizing before said it is if everyone on earth is able to work on a goal together it's not competing between each other but rather putting all the best minds together in the biggest problems I think that's an awesome paradigm to be seeing in the new type of space race and I wouldn't been a was talking about that it triggered so many your four-year Russians I think I just quickly add something as well I mean that is the core idea if we cooperate in space that's how we can actually move forward and I think that is also one of the reasons why there's actually not much regulation in this area because you cannot I mean you can have private companies on it you can have nation-states up there very multiple ways but at least how I see and how some people - I've talked is if we decentralize space ownership and everybody participates with their own thing and you create this ecosystem where everybody else can actually also participate in getting the data you don't have the central point of ownership that is about space because when you think of it it should belong to all of us so this is why I think we enable yeah absolutely agree with you and referring to Apollo missions was the

[30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1800s) first landing I was not present I was not alive at a time yet but what I've been told that everyone and I was born in the Ukraine which was part of the Soviet Union at the time moved to UK 15 years ago but everyone even in in Soviet Union and in other countries they felt that they did it as a humanity it's not the us who landed on the moon but humanity's a whole and I believe even though it was heads it's filling but they've been never able to actually all part of it or to be part of it and I believe that technologies like blockchains they open models for a new economic system to be deployed and busy in Industrial Revolution force Industrial Revolution hopefully people will help more time to think about space is also a automation and we might be able to produce something which goes beyond what we have such as possible for me it's making sure that we have equal and fair access for everyone who wants to explore space at the moment we know that it's been mainly pilots engineers scientists astronauts that are trained I would love to see a future that anyone whether they grew up in a council estate in southwest London on a farm in India or went to Eton or went to Cambridge had equal and fair access to visit the moon to have a chance to go around the earth and see that beautiful blue dot from space and I think that we no longer have to bind ourselves by the constructs of just earth and I'm not just about Earth based thinking I think it's so nice when you start thinking about solving problems from not just an earth-based mindset and if anyone see me on Instagram I'm constantly asking them for me to be able to spatially tag the moon every time I take a photograph of the moon as the moon as part of being the satellite that orbits earth in the physical 3d space that it is I'm going to throw it back we had a question at the back there add in to what you said about the collaboration and all of that that's brilliant you know I wonder anchor it back into what blockchain and in space of doing humanitarian wise into some of the examples that I think James gave earlier very briefly in his slides

[32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=1950s) things like the use of imagery you know multiple imagery to look at crop growth and things like that and disaster relief photography from space those are you know really stuff that's going on right now using blockchain and unfortunately like I said that one of the speakers we were going to have from Claudio they are using blockchain you know this that they're a long-established geo data and geo and Allah analytics company that are now using blockchain as part of that marketplace and a lot of their imagery that they get through their market is used for humanitarian relief so you know there are real practical examples as well as all the cooperation in the future hi I had a question I see a lot of projects and about constellations of satellites they're always looking inwards why are we not looking more outwards is that a reason of like physics or economics economics mostly if you want to look outwards the few things that you would you would be looking at you we talked briefly about the de lunar project that we did with the Chinese that's a first stepping stone in putting a constellation around around the moon for for radio astronomy and looking at the dark edges of the of the universe I'm not going to go into the scientific details now but the only reason why we want to be there is use the moon as a shield between us and all the radio emission coming from the from the earth so that would be that would be one observing asteroids would be would be another one for instance either to find out where they are and try to characterize them so you can go there and mind them also for for prevention so in case one is heading at a heading at the earth but in all of these cases the the business cases are not that obvious and there is a lot more that we can look at at the earth for civilian purposes all the other kind and for which they are they are actual actual business case and that's the reason that's where that's where we look I don't think it has really anything to do with with the technology because that's those are problems we can we can solve it's mostly economics thank you I mean it sounds super interesting to me I think it'd be really good if we could like democratize how we can find out about these projects that other people might interested like for me I would be very interested in contributing to things looking outwards but I have no way of even knowing about them and maybe we're not quite at that point where you can

[35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=2100s) kind of crowdfund in that way but that sounds exciting all that that could be an idea for a for a platform and be not the blockchain specific but in general because they are quite quite a few people who are looking at cities in the science we launched the satellite earlier earlier this year called coolpix at which the goal was to observe the transit of an exoplanet and they made all the data available and anybody with a simple radio could listen to the satellite get the data know how to how to look at to look at the data and then and then participate in the inner science and there are quite a few of these of this project that are out there maybe the only thing that is missing is a platform to group them and help the general public be aware of it or it could be absolutely blotching based and it could be a Dao and you could vote I mean I went ahead well I think this kind of discussion and to go back to your comment Dominic earlier about getting the people from the space industry interested I I think that's that's one of the thing is we need to look at the applications and what blockchain can do rather than the technology itself that's how you get other other people in other industry interested as well because like yeah I can imagine people at ease and even the UK Space Agency now although they are looking at this at least more and more to us I would be completely blunt here it's mostly buzzword we don't really understand what it is and how it can be used so that's why if we have more views cases and real applications that are explained to us in a very simple way because we are simple people that that will help help us and you a great deal as well by bringing people from from other industries in this in this conference I agree I was actually trying to get specifically the people from ISA and Airbus who are doing the complexion projects to come and explain it to us but getting those people here is quite so maybe a question to the panels and first an ID I spent 10 years of my life at albers so and I'm here today to build up a blockchain startup in FinTech so I think the what you're doing is exactly what needs to be done is make the link between the industry the government's the ideas the entrepreneurs and my idea for the panel for next year is to make

[37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=2250s) it even more international we're in London where we should be in some Americans who bring some Asians some Russians some Europeans and would be interested to understand from the panel what you think what would breaks it bring to this problem for the UK because you know I was involved for 10 years in European aerospace industry entrepreneur in London for 16 years we have now a brexit we have the Space Agency splitting up so maybe blockchain could reunite everybody around the new idea and that's what we're working on with my co-founder so be interested to to have your view on that well I talked to some people at the European Space Agency and when we talked about projects like Galileo we've been advice to form Irish company so maybe but I don't know I mean hopefully blockchain will be this enabler and component can which can help to communicate and the arena at people and across the industries and across the countries as well but it's hard to say because we are really at early stage at the moment and obviously there are different different expectations at the level of startups and level of the corporation so if you can bridge that and we can find common grounds and how we can enhance each other then we can really work together and I imagine the application of smart contracts as we work to collaborate in a post brexit era in really working together with nations that may not necessarily be part of or just exclude the European Union the UK obviously been pushing its relationship with the Commonwealth countries a lot of those are really emerging markets and it's really important that we ensure that everybody no matter whether it's Kenya which actually was an ideal position to launch if you're going to the moon geographically so we need to be thinking about geo strategic partnerships in the UK particularly in post brexit but what smart contracts and blockchain will help us to enable is tying up those dots in geographical locations to build in the projects and kind of hopefully ensure that the transparency of how those countries and institutions and individuals or entrepreneurs within those chains come together to deliver those projects and I think if we're looking to go off earth that smart

[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=2400s) contract application with blockchain could be really really interesting and Annie I'd love to know if you have any thoughts on that as a legal expert yeah I put you on the spot I'm sorry it wasn't quite money actually so one of them was that I feel like I've rewashed you all with the idea that space belongs to all mankind because there was a lot of people asking me when I started studying the space walk why space because there's so many international issues here on earth so why on earth would somebody go to space and I was dealing with the answer quite a long time and then I came to the point when I realized that we actually have to go to space so that we get gather all the information and find a solution how to tackle with the issues that we have on earth that's the first one and the second one is even more interesting actually because it's funny how we can perceive all the outer space including you to be of all of us but when it comes to earth we are not capable of this perception so when you think of having these solutions in space think of how these solutions are going to bring the same perceptions on earth and that's how you preach usually the communities when you have small countries that are not going to be space foreign countries ever and all the communities that are going to be built from antennas alone if that's already happening on earth and these bridges are missing and because of these missing bridges we're actually facing the threats of like Trump because there is going to be another battlefield and when we reach to Mars when we reach to moon that's just going to be another competition created so that's my thoughts anybody else should I put somebody else part I suppose related to law and what you're saying early about insurance I gave a talk at Wickham Astronomical Society just last night on the threat of near-earth asteroids and something that

[42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=2550s) I quoted was a lovely line from the great science fiction author Larry Niven he said the dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program he then added if we become extinct because we don't have a space program it'll serve us right well I then went on to explain how plotting the orbits of asteroids as you mentioned we need to do that for two things one so that we know where they are and we can also we need to assay them essentially remotely so we know which ones to go after to get the useful materials but we also want to know where they're going so we can work out which ones may hit us in future and the tracking of asteroids is essentially an insurance policy yeah we spend some money in doing this setting up tracking centers and even sending out remote craft ready to go into action - hopefully deflect something and compare the spending of that against the cost in human lives and physical destruction of an actual impact and that's why insurance is about you spend a bit against the the threatens something else and so what I tell people when ever when people say you know what's the point of spending money on space I say the module do you have any insurance policies you say yeah of course that's it bull this can be looked on as our insurance policy and frankly if space can save the world isn't it gonna be worth it it's really interesting that you mentioned the insurance side of it as an event I attended last year called wild space risk forum and it was literally the world's insurers who insure the launch organizations and one of the big risk factors is actually the debris but also our insurance policy in the future as we look outwards is those defunct satellites that are lying up there that

[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU4DT0a8cSM&t=2700s) if they are on a National Register or global register let's think internationally then actually those are resources or that we can repurpose when we're in space and we run out of certain elements and I think if we start thinking about solutions like that now imagine what the collective creative power of tech and non tech people can bring together and I'm a big fan of steam because it's not just about science and technology and engineering and maths art are a big part of that creative synergy and I think bringing lots of different people and I'm gonna challenge you guys maybe we need to have a hackathon before next year's event or just even a half sprint because I'm all about scrum and like really working through ideas really quickly imagine what we could then like hack together and see what we build on as a community if we're all doing open access projects and accelerate each other I think that would be really interesting I'm just gonna do a time check how are we doing on time we're good okay I just wanted to context what Jerry was saying about near-earth objects impact impacting us I think from what I remember a piece of rock the size of a house if it lands in central London it will effectively destroy the entire of Greater London I think it's it's that sort of magnitude yeah I mean that that that's about the size of the object that came down over Tunguska yes June the 30th the end of this month will be the one hundred and tenth anniversary so obviously I include you that my presentation yesterday what I then showed was what would have happened if it had come down at the same angle and so over London and the area that gets destroyed reaches out to the m25 and then I put an arrow just next to that point into a mushroom saying you are here yeah I mean just making that point to say that you know that we do live on some of that's quite fragile and whether or not we as human beings destroy our and habitat there's a lot of stuff out there in space that really could hit us at any moment and the devastation is massive so tracking near-earth objects

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