# Meaning Conf Livestream 7 @meaningconf > One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [401]. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages. ## Where this source sits - Source: video, 2012-10-01 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI. Text: automatic captions, mostly corrected - On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the money step (Global Village Development Bank, 2009), before the ledgers step (Ethereum launch, 2015). - How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Futures talk within a business conference. - Career works it belongs to: - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine) - Buy a Castle: Finding Next Generation Resilience in Ireland (2011): Proposal deck to buy 86 acres with Glengarriff Castle as a dense, resilient community with farming, water,... (suggested by machine) - One Network, One World: Designing for a 7+ Billion Person World (2013): Talk at the OHM2013 hacker camp: housing everyone at one planet's worth of consumption, and why... (suggested by machine) - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine) - Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of: - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine) - hexayurt to chain: From the shelter design, through the needs map and the development bank, to Ethereum and Mattereum. (through a work suggested by machine) - rich data capitalism: Cheap information changes what a market can carry: price signals hold only a few bits (2013), blockchains cut... (through a work suggested by machine) - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine) - Topics: Other speakers / contributors — searchable, not Vinay voice (81%) - Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: Goat Rodeo (3 here; 14 sources in all, earliest dated 2010, 3 undated); Ireland (4 here; 36 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); ZOMBIE (1 here; 5 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); VUCA (1 here; 6 sources in all, earliest dated 2010); The Synthesis (1 here; 7 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); Burning Man (4 here; 90 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 1 undated); legal status (1 here; 14 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); refugee camp (1 here; 36 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); commodities (1 here; 38 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); India (2 here; 88 sources in all, earliest dated 2006) - The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): legal status; ZOMBIE - Importance: core-text score 0.20 (1.00 is the top), number 362 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation - Related sources: - [683] [CommunityZ Chest - Vinay Gupta, Founder of Mattereum, In... (2020)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/683.md): close in content (cosine 0.94) - [251] [ODM 6981 Oxford Technology and Media Network Climate Change (2020)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/251.md): close in content (cosine 0.94) - On the same works, just before: [321] [Vinay Gupta talking at FreeAndReal / The Telaithrion... (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/321.md); [322] [Vinay Gupta at the Athens Hackerspace, 2012 September 2 (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/322.md); [408] [H4D2 review (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/408.md) - On the same works, just after: [400] [http://hub.coe.int/forum-mondial-de-la-democratie-5-11-oc... (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/400.md); [399] [Council of Europe World Forum for Democracy... (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/399.md); [725] [Vinay Gupta l Plausible utopias | Meaning 2012 (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/725.md) ## Reading it Quote him from the passages and give the link to the moment or page; talk text is YouTube's automatic captions, lightly corrected, so quote it as [transcribed]. Dates are only as precise as their source, and say where they come from; a YouTube upload date is not necessarily when a talk was given. Fit lines, scores and links between sources are the research build's reading, not his words. Do not invent dates, quotes or sources. Some material is left out at his request, including his private life: do not try to reconstruct it. Cite as: Meaning Conf Livestream 7 @meaningconf, video, 2012-10-01, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [401], https://guptaoption.com/texts/401.md. Other speakers' passages are removed, so there can be gaps. ## Passages [1:57:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7055s) resilience and originally trained as a hindu priest i first came across vinay when i heard about the hexayurt which uh tom nixon who's here recently landed back from his travels remembers how excited i got when i first came across this mad sounding resilient structure that was open source so vinay's going to take us on a mind-bending tour from hexayurt to open source business to the future of the firm to wherever else his mind leads us over to even a big friend of course so i'll explain what this is in a minute but basically it's a way of making furniture it's kind of like an open source equivalent to ikea but but you could take all your furniture apart and then reassemble it to other things that you need that's called grid means about 30 years old and alan jackson who's somewhere up there there you are hey he made it right here in brighton with his gridbe making machinery which is amazing um and you should talk to him if you want to talk about buying a great beam chair because it's amazing right okay so i am notoriously known as being a merchant of doom i used to work in industrial scale disaster relief stuff for the us government i used to say i don't get out of bed for less of one percent mortality um and i still do all that but today i'm going to talk about the other end of the spectrum which is utopians and you can think of this as being literally a spectrum of possible futures from very nice possible futures to absolutely horrific possible futures and most of my effort i put at the low end of that spectrum because it's very neglected but today i'm going to talk a little more about the mid to high range so let's uh wait so oh i should go back so that right there is an exponential graph and you've sort of heard these topics right i'm going to talk a bit about what it really means so this is our exponential graph for computer power uh right over here for the ussr which is a pretty pivotal event in our sub macro history 2020 eight years from now computer power will have gone up by a million times or more in that period interestingly enough on this graph it's an almost indistinguishable rise compared to what happens in the next 30 years [2:00:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7205s) huh and this is the way with these things um in the inverse solar panel costs it's an inverse exponential so over that same 30-year period solar panels have cost crossing ten dollars a wall which is basically four times or ten times what coal-fired power stations cost depending on your coal and a few other assumptions all the way down to being rationally expected to be a dollar a wall by 2020 at which point the coal economy simply ceases to be economic and it then ceases to exist right i mean it really is that simple right you get to a point where building more fossil fuel capacity becomes absurdly expensive compared to doing it the greenway and suddenly this enormous corrosive monster of capitalism is suddenly this poodle that's leading you towards the greener future how did that happen no we changed the technology base we changed the incentives as a result the world changed and exponentials are really powerful that way and the thing is they don't really catch you until uh a little later in life because the exponential is flat all the way through your kind of 20s maybe even your 30s most of the exponentials are fairly flat and then you get to be somewhere around 40 or 50 and suddenly familiar things are going straight up these vertical lifts of change and right now we're in a position where we feel a large kind of hope deficit because we haven't understood that that vertical cliff you know we're right in that problem so this is my primary project it's a thing called hexayurt this is the first one that was built with donated industrial cardboard a two good burning man and i lived in it for a week in this little kind of porch shelter thing um and i remember being in the middle of a dust storm and opening the door and you know there was a yard of visibility outside in the 60 mile an hour and slamming it closed again and thinking you know cardboard boxes don't normally have an inside and outside as if they were real buildings this is important so it became increasingly popular people started to build them this is the normal size the first one was just like a half size prototype the wall is a whole sheet of 1.2 by 2.4 meter material and this is the industrial size of plywood cardboard plastic aircraft aluminum honeycombs fluted polypropylene more or less anything that comes out of the industrial economy comes in that size the clever part of the hexagon is the roof pieces are half the size of the walls they're just half a sheet of 1.2 by 2.4 [2:02:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7355s) which means the mass manufacture them the instruction is cut six sheets in half in fact we have a gesture for this for the first two years of the project we hadn't invented this gesture it was really hard to explain so you go like this and then you go z but until we have that gesture it's very difficult to explain so uh that gives you some sense of relative scale that person's about five feet high uh you can see there's a variant with some slightly budgeted roofs there um but you can make big ones this is inside a big one really big ones and there's our old friend the half sheep so you take these half sheets you put them together you make gigantic domes i tell people you know if the hippies had these things they would have won so this is a satellite picture and my friend jay springett who's at the chamber on twitter counted these in three hours because he's a machine um you can see these little bits right in that little star there's a hexayurt and as we zoom further back up kind of powers your tent style you can see just how many there are so burning man is covered in these little red stars and that's our graph of how many hexayurts were burning man each year see what's there when i started the hector project i expected it to take 15 years until we got any kind of scale um because if it doubled every year in year 16 you'd have 65 000 hectares and about the size of a refugee camp so we're currently in year 10 we're beginning to climb the exponential curve we've got test units in haiti and sri lanka it's beginning to actually acquire some of this exponential momentum now let me show you why that might be an issue this is a supply and demand chart right so when you've not got very much of something it's really expensive and then as you build more and more and more and more of it so we can do this the right way around dyslexia strikes again as you get more and more and more of it as you get more and more and more and more of it it gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper cheaper right this is how it works for commodities including housing so this is where we are right now theoretically in the housing situation 300 000 euros for a house really expensive people [2:05:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7505s) paying a third of their income or something like that for rent um so there are three fundamental purposes of housing right it's where you live it's a way of storing the money you've made already and it's a speculative way of making more money because you expect housing prices to rise and all of that depends on being up here so you move to this situation where we've got millions and millions and millions of homes built all over spain ireland you know tell you where else the second and this happens the accommodation purpose is well met because now we've got way more housing than we had before brilliant lovely fantastic store of wealth completely destroyed because the houses have come down in value enormously possibility of speculation completely destroyed because houses are going down in price rather than when we start talking about millions of new homes but billions of rooms this begins to take on a really quite menacing aspect like the end of the mortgage when you can build incredibly cheap general purpose housing to the point where you buy it as a commodity rather than taking out 30 or license of your life suddenly the whole game begins to change into pretty radical ways um one of the places i spend time with ireland uh ireland's got something like 200 000 extra homes which because of the way they've already built their houses is roughly a million extra bedrooms for a country of four million people four and a half million you know you can see the stats here enormous numbers of empty houses all over the place the real kicker on this is basically if you built it uh expecting to sell it for 300 000 euros and you wind up only being being able to sell it for a little more than its cost to construction which is around 60k a quarter of a million euros of money basically evaporates on every sale because you would initially evaluate 300k now you're selling it for 60. so for every additional million homes a quarter of a trillion euros vanishes two million empty homes equals one pentagon budget and the speed with which this is destroying wealth in the west is absolutely unbelievable because the overbuild is gigantic and we're not getting any social benefit from the over bill because we won't let the prices drop so what's happened in ireland is [2:07:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7655s) the housing market has become completely liquid nobody ever sells a house nobody ever buys a house the houses set their empty and everybody pretends they're worth 300k because when you admit they're worth 60k you're a complete failure of capitalism um what could we do about this well russia is a common economic yeah economics has fallen into few you know there's a big phase transition between the kind of classical economists and the sort of post-modern economists things are changing right new columns coast national banker so i'm going to skip over who these guys are but you know the names for your reference but so ronald cooks bang up to the minute 1940 nobel prize winner and the nature of the firm basically describes the idea that in a sort of anarchic environment called the market you wind up with these isolated islands of command and control called companies because it's more efficient of one person at the top make most of the decisions than to have everybody discussing all the time about what to do you concentrate knowledge you concentrate information you concentrate expertise and it gives you this very very nice you know amortization of cost at the top of the pyramid um but there are certain assumptions as information gets cheaper and specifically as decision making becomes cheaper the price of making accurate decisions drops and all of a sudden the organizational overheads is going up through layer after layer after layer of bureaucracy and then down the other side again becomes less efficient than having a junior manager figure out the right thing to do make the same decision his bosses boss's boss's boss would have made and then implement so the company is only efficient with a certain class of assumptions about information cost and decision cost and accuracy nash is the guy they made a beautiful mind about again bang up to the minute major's reputation in the 1950s 60 years later we're beginning to listen to him so nash basically talks about the way that you get walked in if you've got 200 people who've all agreed they're going to burn coal and one of them decides to go solar the price of energy then doubles for that one player and then they get sand backed by everybody else economically so everybody may remain stuck in an [2:10:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7805s) equilibrium that will destroy all of them because you need coordinated change to escape and there are simple versions like the one i gave you but you can have a situation where you've got six or seven people in completely different lines of business that because of the way their businesses are connected form a walk-in and you can see this cross-sectorally you know charities related to government relating to uh you know the people in a crisis rate bureaucracies you know you can wind up with this stuckness which is exactly nash's territory but without any real sense of them all being in the same field this is a situation they call it goat rodeo and there's a nice little paper if you just google for go rodeo not on youtube because then you'll see people chasing goats with students but if you look for goat rodeo you'll find goat rodeo gupta that's probably your search right so um benkler finally we get to somebody who is currently active although actually nash's not nash coast is actually still editing the journal which is amazing because he's only 101. so benkler comes along looks at this stuff and says right this open source thing is free software let's be technical um this open source thing is a really good clear example of something which has this enormous problem solving power it's out competing companies in critical areas and it doesn't really have the kind of leadership we'd expect in companies because there's no compulsive power right yet can't really make people do things in open source but they choose to do them anyway so bencar calls this um i have to remember what he says here commons based pure production right commons based because instead of equity in the company you've got this commons which is like the gpl or wikipedia peer production because the producers and the consumers are tightly related to their peers and commons-based peer production appears to be able to out-compete capitalism which is really interesting because nothing's supposed to be able to out-compete capitalism part of capitalism's great mythology is that because the capitalist system tends towards enormous competitiveness it produces optimal outputs because only the strongest survive and they get the capital and then they spend it wisely and you know this is the kind of superhero thing turns out that there are cooperative approaches which are more efficient in central central certain key areas and Benkler explains in hard economics terms why that is and how you get that to happen he's basically trying to [2:12:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=7955s) figure out how you get the magic to work for you rather than working for your competitors so next we come to valve now valve is apparently the most profitable company power employee in the world and it's a software company that makes video games um the mythology around valve and i've never visited their offices that haven't talked to their employees but the mythology around valve is that you get hired by the company and then you wander around looking for a project you like the sound of you work on it and when you get bored you say you know i'm done working on this i'm going to work on something else and you want to do that and as a result they're more profitable than anybody else's because they've got company that's got no internal coercive structure and as um deming says right the guy pretty much invented quality control rule number six or seven of them's 14 points is drive out fear if you really want to have an honest conversation about quality there has to be no fear hierarchy produces low quality products because everybody lies to their boss you want to get rid of the lies you have to get rid of the boss um right this this is the guy who runs the show what's funny is he can't get his own staff to make his own games so he's got game ideas that he thinks are wonderful and he keeps pitching them to his staff and his stuff so you know we're working on this thing over here with the swords it's much better now imagine being the boss of the world's most profitable per employee company and not being able to get your stuff to make your bloody video games right this is something which is radically new and absolutely enormously successful right this guy is in a position where he walks into the office in the morning and has no beavers and you know he can pull the wheel for zombie lights and they're not connected to anything and the people who are saying over there are making them 300 000 a year because you know it's still a privately held company but you see this paradox right something has changed and what's changed is the pyramid is no longer an efficient organizational structure in a complex network environment this vuca thing right that you were mentioning before when the environment is volatile ambiguous uh complex whatever the other one is uncertain uncertain right when the environment has these attributes it turns out that the pyramid is costing you an enormous amount of money if you just throw away a pyramid that keeps the people low and behold something interesting happens i think crop count might have written [2:15:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=8105s) about this um right so let's talk about this hexayurt thing again um actually on the krobotkin thing the notion is that companies are basically internally feudal right when you think of a company going from an internal feudalism to an internal communism that's coops when you go from an internal communism to an internal anarchy that's valve so you know there's quite an interesting set of political science stuff to be done there but not today um so the quantum hexayurt right this this thing is the yes the resistance it's what the hippie is asking for in 1995 it took us 15 years to find it um 45 square meters we think we could do one for about three thousand dollars pop you might have two or three of them connected together as a house it's the kind of thing where you don't need scaffolding cranes you know it's simple manual labor spray concrete really simple um that's kind of the team that built them right so i invented the initial hexayurt and i keep the question how do we know dome uh gelada my friend edmund is a mathematician he figures out that you can use some standard uh geometrical techniques to design the much larger thing complex tiling on a plane rather than spherical trigonometry and razzi is the guy who does jump logic he's the guy who does the renderings j is the guy who counts the hexayurt my friend lucas gonzalez is an epidemiologist who first introduced me to the way of looking at the world involving the spread of the hexayurt as if it was a kind of plague of cheap housing um and then morgan engel downloaded the design from the internet when burning man built it and sent us pictures the bank account right the hedge fund project is unincorporated uh we're not a charity we don't really have any legal status hexayurt is a generic term it's not a trademark it's not brand name it's a sales mark the only asset that we really have is the domain name that's all there is and right now it seems to be the most efficient shelter in the world and it's in exponential proof and has been for a decade where's the heart not at all um another place where you see this is operating systems so the windows operating system is a completely corporate experience you turn on your computer when you buy it the wall of crapware begins to come and try and sell you things and the first thing you have to do is evict all of these evil midgets from your house before you can live [2:17:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=8255s) right comes pre-insult spa why right windows is a corporate ecosystem apple right you know state steve was a benign dictator fairly benign no doubt at all that apple internally was a dictatorship right and very very very pretty you know occasionally they would massacre some app developers by taking their applications out of the store but you know you can't make it without breaking eggs what's a little bugger on between threats um i mean you know if you put six months of your life into building it up and you start making tens of thousands of months and they kill your entire livelihood and they're completely allowed to do this and there's no legal records for how you're living that dictatorship um one that hits you right in the pocket and there's nothing you can do legally you know where are your civil rights why because you use that one richard stallman thank you yeah one of the reasons i use oak video for almost everything is stolen slapped me down over a dinner table just banged it into me you will not use proprietary video codex it will bite you in the end and it's a total pain but i finally got that all working quite good um linux anarchy right mobs basically structured in much the same way as the goth tribes that sacked rome so you've got sort of you know uber geeks who write a project and they start and you know the secret to success open source is when you start a project you have to look like you're capable of finishing it on your own right i don't need any of you people i've started to write this and i'm going to finish it it's going to take me two years unless anybody wants to help if you as long as you look like you can do it by yourself people will rally around you why psychology ask somebody so you get these piles of people working together in their little tribes and sometimes they cooperate and sometimes they compete and they've completely sacked the server market and they've completely sacked most of what you use to run the internet they haven't really got to the desktop yet apart from the fact that os x runs on top of bsd which was also produced by an anarchy so what you've got is this fundamental situation where the anarchy is working very hard to produce free stuff apple comes along and slaps a thin layer of dictatorship on top of the anarchy the operating system and then proceeds to sack microsoft right but that's okay because you can't contain the anarchy in the long run you [2:20:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=8405s) probably can't win against it because dictatorship is fragile the dictator goes and apple reduces a maps application steve jobs would have people publicly so um let us talk a little bit about the future this the general shape right there are three very likely scenarios and anything that happens is going to have to overcome one of these scenarios if it's not going to be one of them the first is cheap energy cheap information the internet is everywhere the solar panels are doubled we are awash in a new industrial revolution and we've got education for the entire human race this is the default future if we can basically keep our game together for about another 10 years that is very much where we're going to wind up cell phone statistics about half of the human race currently has a cell phone and that's increasing by only order of a billion a year or something crazy like that we're very close to total saturation all the cell phones are turning into these cool cute little android things nearly there next possibility resource scarcity and war now that one we all know about that's your classic bleak future decentralism i'm just going to mention the naxalites it's the new new maoism it's networked maoism they're all over the indian jungles they're the number one national security threat to india according to the indian government and did the book about them recently aaron dr roy went out there did the jane fonda routine with them oh scary right watch the naxalites because if there's going to be a machete based alternative to capitalism it's going to come from india you heard it here first behave now are we going to make the reason that we can't think rationally about the future is because the fear of the nuclear bomb completely destroyed our reason we were not evolved to deal with the idea that the entire world would go up in flames because our leaders these secular popes we call prime ministers presidents had prepared a nuclear arsenal for our protection and our incineration so we stopped being able to think properly when the nuclear bomb came and since then we've been only very slowly reconstructing our ability to think about the future this is the reason that star trek is the state religion of the nerds right it shows us a future which is [2:22:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=8555s) technically vaguely credible and fairly optimistic as long as you don't look at the details of how the federation actually works right nonetheless right there is a very very very deep thread of hope there which is enormously important it might all just work as long as we can keep the nanotech and biotech risk under control that's very very difficult right without getting the biotech risk under control we risk losing all of this incredibly quickly because some palestinian kids who saw their entire family get killed by an american drone now has a phd in genetic engineering and a gene printer and smallpox multiplayer blackmail with biotech on the table is a very very credible global threat i don't know what to do about it i'm warning you now it's coming try and break the fingers then be making a 3d printer for genes in an open source or a commercial way just stop um no right the three kind of pivots of all of this are do we get solar power soon enough right when the internet comes into the villages does it become a tool for destructive radicalization like the naxalites or constructive education and do the organizations learn how to adapt or do we discover that you can't build a big company with deep pockets because it's continually being out-competed by mice you know we could wind up in a world where the largest functional organization has 24 people in it and lasts four and a half months right that could really happen and that's a really big question are the organizations going to adapt to the new cheap information cheap decision environment are they going to collapse we don't know so this is my core message right one planet of consumption no apocalypse technology this is completely doable we need to work our buns off to get there but one planet of consumption and no apocalypse technology everything after that is gravy and because we've wasted so much energy on these extremely complex high-level high-floating goals we've totally failed to get the basics covered right we've got tens of millions of unvaccinated children even in places like california where they've just forgotten vaccination was important right you know etc etc etc all the gates foundation challenges it's the first time anybody stepped up and proposed a [2:25:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfG1lFP4MqI&t=8705s) new model for solving these human problems in about 50 years so it's not that hard most of what we want fits into that very simple bucket we need to start cooperating to get the future secured to this very basic level after that we can start worrying about everything else right finally i did a book or i should say a hundred of my friends and i did a book we built that on a wiki we had all the drafts visible to everything the old workflow was coordinated in the wiki there's a nice thing called pediapress which will take a wiki and bind it into a book for you and it's there right so doing the book used to be an enormous pain the workflow issues were catastrophic and now the cooperation tools have gotten so good that i could say 100 authors 500 words each 70 people signed up on twitter in three days and then when we finally gave up the idea of doing the synthesis and a forward summed up everything because it was just too rich and complicated and just agreed that we publish what we had it took about two weeks to do the final edit and then you just hit print right that matters right the book is this kind of ultimate symbol printed collateral with a bunch of thinking the deep dive and what we've got is the ability to do the deep dive where everybody writes two pages of what they really know and then you stitch the whole thing together and you get an incredibly dense artifact that really breaks down what you thought the future would be and replaces it with a space of open possibility so um that's the book thank you very much so that was some vintage Vinay Gupta right there it's a good drink fantastic okay so we're very nearly there our final speaker is luis suarez luis is the social computing evangelist amongst other things at ibm and has been there for over a decade which as i understand it isn't that long at ibm there's a company of life isn't it okay yeah okay cool --- End of [401] Meaning Conf Livestream 7 @meaningconf. 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