# http://hub.coe.int/forum-mondial-de-la-democratie-5-11-octobre-2012 (part 1 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [400], part 1 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

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- Source: video, 2012-10-08 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo. Text: automatic captions, uncorrected
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Cite as: http://hub.coe.int/forum-mondial-de-la-democratie-5-11-octobre-2012, video, 2012-10-08, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [400], https://guptaoption.com/texts/400.md.

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## Passages, part 1 of 2
[0:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=0s) foreign problem s nothing specific ations it is Construction is um because it is would be the problem

[2:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=150s) s foreign and we have some

[5:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=300s) um economy is important YouTube facilities and participation foreign like this is foreign

[7:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=450s) a company Italian classes foreign celebrity foreign

[10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=600s) Animal House foreign how many of you regularly read amazing cream how many of you watch television news regularly

[12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=750s) so I think there's no question that the online resources are giving me regular newspapers around for their money um how many of you uh are skeptical when you read things on is very human and I'll tell you it's a very interesting phenomenon the two things I've noticed in my life is that people and I'm the same way I'm with you I should put my hands up too that we tend to believe things we see in the paper our client unless we have personal knowledge that it's not true we have personal knowledge people oh that's outrageous uh the other thing that I also noticed is that journalists on one group of people who hate to be criticized okay I'm going to move now to the other end no it is he has had some very interesting I'm sorry so thanks very much for being here so I will try to stick to two minutes uh I am Slovak born in Czechoslovakia and my first then come to the Revolution was the valid Revolution which for many people in Arab world even could not call Revolution how can Revolution be relevant but somehow if you have dramat is like that's what Halal and scientists which I usually do in similar type sometimes Revolution can be done now that way so I always believe that

[15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=900s) revolutions and Democratic breakthroughs needs to be done as peacefully as possible uh then I was engaged and worked with civil society activists in the Balkans it was not so velvet but still not so bad and when we worked for us zero copy machine was the maximum of technology in the Balkans they already use email the internet and during color revolutions Georgia Ukraine and attempts in several other countries they already started to have all kinds of fancy things but it didn't help very much because autocrats were learning I think we have to keep in mind that all these new technology it is not only for those who try to make society's Rose berries or constitutionalism is respected but these tools are in the hands of those who are trying to cease power changes maintain it and so on and I think that these would be worthwhile to keep in mind and thirdly since last year of the Arab Supreme started there were numerous attempts to bring people from Central and Eastern Europe to Europe countries and share experience believing that all was going on in our world is almost something like what went on in central eastern Europe which I think in many ways there are parallels but differences are so many that I think it would be almost methodological mistake to learn so much from us because you operating even completely new situations both in your countries but also in the world when we make our changes and when people were under Democratic breakthroughs in Balkans we still believe that the West be when the U.S is untested unquestionable success story today you have numerous confidence with what we are thinking about whether democracy is sustainable in our part of the world we do not have Greek speakers at this conference we don't have Hungarian speakers and conferencing the Nicolas Marshall who is somewhere who is Transparency International so I think that we have to admit that a

[17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1050s) reign in which we operate it's full of new technologies for communication but I think that context within which we operate is so profoundly different that we need to think freshly and develop also new formats of convening new formats of coming together and thinking and admitting loss of the variety of things which we just simply don't know and we need to do them differently and so for that reason I'm happy to be in such a diversity on this channel and I hope that audience will have more chance to speak than during open in a recession thank you because um what do people are thinking about the impact of social media information our human rights committee of course has a lot of information if you think a lot of information from people to a monitor University rights violations and in the enormous ability we have this information so I think that it's very relevant for our work and before I came to Parliament I was head of endless International Insurance that you can organize worldwide companies in somebody from the language a list for people who should disappear and that is a very when I look I have to be brief so I have to select the main issues if I went to another group of entities of society business Community we frequently everything debates on where a few intimate providers and let providers are involved with human rights violations and I'll give you some examples the European for

[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1200s) whatever in the Iran revolution or after the election in 2009 a lot of people could organize their candies cell phones to oppose the money related elections but fundamental activity and it stopped that they could communicate to each other mobile phone network to Iran it's just Network also included the so-called lawful interception Gateway and the Monitoring Center which allows the surveillance of internet or phone communication is not true is because the pressure of civil societies particularly from Los Angeles was so strong so they dropped out of the market but for the enrollments themselves they didn't make a big difference because Chinese company is accepting we see worldwide and increase of Demands of the censorship technology by authoritative resolution in 2009 also Nokia students disclosed that it has sold another Monitoring Center to Oman and we have unfortunately I have to say but I not only the Empire companies but we have Karma also a German company whose own software finisher to the former education president of honest they were allowing the Secret Service to systematic and monitor on the internet and refuse the identity of other universities and then another case we learned in 2010 a journalists was arrested based on communication protocols they would not have materialize with a general based company truly poor is not strong is firework to the Horizon Academy Mr Alexander was interrogated on the basis of Chinese transcripts of his text messages and details from personal mobile phone conversations so these examples I think that I showed here you can do on what type of human rights ultimate perspectives beautiful but I think it's certainly not enough because all these companies regarding to Europe law but also most expensive but actually a lot they only have to inform

[22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1350s) the government that they are exploited and I think we do need the regulations because companies need the permission if they want to export the station employment can become qualify if it was uh it's a neutral or really diverse in the human rights situation not only our community but not all colleagues particularly those of religions want to go down so uh the resolution called for a kind of voluntary commitments that this company is definitely positions thank you very important issue how many do you do you know what it just total novel is a student on the 60s we used to be an office lights Brave New World uh Independence thank you I strongly recommend that you all read them again because don't you think when you listen to the market on here what she's talking about it in terms of countries buying and technology is a sense what used to be fantasy is now quite technologically cost support issues to talk about what music is a pharmacists we are from Russia because it was decided that we were reading a lot about the interference with the media and registered was being being killed to what extent are you do you feel are we believe in consistent yourself because they would want to say but also like if you feel in Russia that the uh social media displays a role in the relationships

[25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1500s) management thank you foreign thank you for the eastern part of Europe an Union okay so um thank you for uh for you to give me the floor um because I think that all the experience that Russia has with the new social media and social networks is very positive and um on Russian site we see that social media can play uh The crucial role not only during the times of Crisis and war and revolution uh social media can also develop uh from the society and what would say in Russia is that uh social media has created the Civil Society about five years ago a Russian Society was at the fact we don't never pass it and we had we have nothing to be called uh Civil Society um I'm not speaking about protests I've been speaking just about um uh non-feet of understanding that they're citizens and that they have some political rights and some political interests and they have to interfere and they can change something and they at least have to know what's going on um I just think about this let me introduce myself briefly because I'm uh the editormanship of Team Channel

[27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1650s) called Dodge uh strangely effort to speaking uh and it happens to be the only independent music who used to each other in Russia um I'm running for two years and we are only two years old and when we started um we know um we had only one independent radio station but it's called liquid um and there was real problem with the privilege of speech in Russian that says that everyone understood that it's impossible to change anything uh we have uh freedom of speech in the internet and a couple of qualities and websites will have one single Independent News radio station and a couple of newspapers but when I came to the TV uh the main source of information for the majority of the population generation was completely dead and uh everyone knew that that's all for the style propaganda and the first news on every TV channel will always be President visiting animal farm and that second is um and when we started um it was an adventure because none of us had any kind of Television background and things that we still have all of them almost no people with the television background um and our team was uh organized by people with that with newspaper background and radio and social media as well um we had to start as kind of a big social media because uh although we have science conference with one of the biggest legal operator and we already started broadcasting so we uh after a week older had a photo from friendly and was told was asked just to stop us and we had only one week of broadcasting and then uh four months of having nothing but our own website the website was known to wasn't known to anybody because we were just very bad in the YouTube

[30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1800s) channel and um follow up South lost in uh in the internet and finally uh throughout all of this month we we managed to get through to uh to create something new and to call all kind of uh newsmakers uh from the application site and from the other side as well we were labeled sometimes by kind of oppositional optimization by uh that label I've always subjected uh telling that when normal Solution that's a position where uh inviting representatives of all skills in all sides pro-friendly and Kremlin and I think it's that's normal uh whatever everybody else is doing good that's a normal when all the states runs we chose um suddenly we were lucky that uh just that um you've actually Society finally uh made it wait uh in this way to social media to politics and uh just just one level one little example and now um it's important that everyone was very impressed with the high level of um oh poor level with uh spread um State propaganda and for example when a president would have had to address the population uh with the mind of Russian musical production industry here or organized have beautiful PR campaign but when we drove uh Russia made yellow from Far East to White Cloud link and all the TV show channels at least kind of reality shows who's in driving a yellow car for about two weeks only one guy in a distant part of Russia who has witnessed this

[32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=1950s) and then uh this is here and a place to YouTube and the next day it became the top eight uh on the internet and everyone learned that uh it was only put it as um in his yellow card the number of those Powers those yellow ladas was as much as three three four from four if one is broken couldn't guess the other one and totally there was more than 100 cars accompanying uh presidents and that that was sure very low quality video um was the first symbol of that uh one single person anything only gives you can change adhesive to the power to the propaganda that actually people can change something and then um can learn what you are done and finally we're there wherever we are here and our teacher is um actually great uh where on several tables of original cable networks and a pretty major satellites in Russia as well as um internet and our is already filling the entity and that's only two years off but um such a development um enjoying the social media thank you the weight was so long that that could have been 100 guys or 10 or total milk okay I'm gonna open up for a second questions we're going to the next turn to our two Egyptian bloggers who can tell us the reality of what social media events and if you have any questions just like you'd like to ask them to address before I return to them by all means please raise your hand I was going to give you a chance if there's any questions we're also going to come back to the

[35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2100s) government people and the European Community people talk about what what their kind of legislative regulatory approaches yes you're so backflips I'm sorry you all look and bring on today's here yesterday um foreign Battlefield again Resurrection plus systematic systems foreign

[37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2250s) applications thank you I also have a question number through the Russian speaker uh he pictured to us a pretty optimistic reality of the way that but we'll still see bloggers and activists in prison from the 90s and it's apparently they understand and I think in Russia maybe it will be an uprising or probably as far as I know into the bigger cities like from Pittsburgh or Moscow but still there is a big huge land the Russia is one of the hugest territories in the world and there's a lot of people living outside of the countryside who are watching TV and listening to the radio airport cruising so and I don't know how many of them know about lawyers about the body about seeing a subject now sweetheart an activist I remember when I asked sometimes supposed to come here to families she so I want to ask you

[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2400s) um if it's if you're pretty sure what to say if the the situation is so positive and you are so confident the social media will really really much in Russian Society thanks let me start with the last question um I didn't tell that uh situation is solid um I just think that the trend is very good and I really think that uh the role of social media uh could be made as only constructive but also as constructed one um I don't know what do we call a successful development of uh social media in Russia probably if uh what kind of Revolution last December um I don't really I'm not really sure that that would be the best way for Russia uh to have a swift Revolution and just a couple of Decades of Health I really think that uh the glue trap is when the Civil science grade so it's prepared for their credit collections and uh what I'm seeing now is that the slow process of preparation right now we would have um collections of the coordination Council of the unified opposition so that's uh that's absolutely no partisan process of the unification of independent pluggers journalists politicians scientists wanted to school probably participated in protests but wanted to have um slow Evolution with not Revolution is the positive uh role of the social media is that the society itself starts being responsible about two months ago we had a very bloody very big into South Russia I mean that was just this device completely

[42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2550s) after the data collapse uh and that was the civil society that reckoned first thanks to social media uh in one day uh volunteers from all over Russia came there and what what about the government that proved to be effective was civil society and social media that uh helped and rescued thousands of people and that's what I call it uh constructive uh role of social media I don't think that the only Road the only fastest route of the social media place is to start the revolution I think self-education or the society is doing more important when we're speaking about um dictatorship thanks God what she's probably a one called Russian application and Russia authorities has never closed down uh even during their hard times they had last winter and until the presidential elections um we have to have some special schemes of depressing websites usually that that is done by the volunteer prop and the organizations that um usually we have some videos attacks against independent websites uh that's not very often um and probably the main thing uh the main reasons for for such uh um mild form of pressure is that the government wouldn't now they they still want to uh to look a bit decent and uh they still want there are still people inside the garden who don't want it to consider themselves blood in the papers and they don't want to uh they don't want this life break out so they do it manually and

[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2700s) to to suppress um just press those those people uh whom they call trains back that's the innovation of government people the protesters between class thank you I think the other question will people to come back to the folks of the human rights issues but I do think that I think I was comment about the volunteers coming to rescue people over here of that age you know about the case situation when you raise that issue is really just theoretical possibilities says thank you

[47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=2850s) this is seen as very much part of our society the people the volunteers they do things they organize other side of the Department of government and so in my own experience with Soviet immigrants came to Canada during the creating some unions but they were often very passive in the systems are often to raise my apartment because the whole nature of the society created that facility so what would be interesting to see what the use of social media helps people develop that sense of empowerment autonomy their ability to solve problems which is not necessarily directly related whether her commission is looking at this issue of private sector surveillance and information and then we're going to turn to our Egyptians and while we're turning to our Egyptians who are themselves that many think social media affected I want to hear what their view is on that and maybe there's a few things exchanging with Barbara dressers she'll be able to face the audience but this is the thing that this has been really interesting to apply for the sectors of Regulation they prefer the advantage that this might be a problem they say that they have kind of voluntary code of conduct foreign responsible thank you all right we have two remarkable people from Egypt about

[50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3000s) myself uh both of whom are blockers as well as the winner up there and we are the Sakura product for her activities in Egypt and maybe just because I've had a chance to speak about alternative and I'd like you to address both of your own experiences but there is also a kind of perception outside of Egypt the entire square and the whole position Revolution was the social media and I've heard other people say well actually know uh Facebook into the whole scenario yeah so my name is I think sorry my name is from 2006 to 2011 I um spending songs and animation and developing expenses in fact either political awareness so it tend to be the work relation to zero was so India actually support to detect that first of all I should clarify that you can't talk about social media from France from Russia Industries and capitals or anywhere in the same way there's a very important issues of Education which is theory of the internet and so on so talking about internet and use is very special and just it gives you configures to the second one you have 126. in January 5 2011 50 000 editions and not easy million um I think this is favorite for master because gee I think about it maybe why not and I've been given mentioned the words

[52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3150s) Feeling Just this is okay and this is several times um British colonized by and now you have something where we are able to get a message to come to the world and for ourselves especially ourselves because what is the most difficult thing to do on the several questions is how to get organizations how to tell each individuals like many people can go out there and do something together distribute the motivations too is that they contain concealed um any important yeah if you think that nothing happens you're wrong and we're all about them because things were happening every village every company in every at the same attachments there are so many examples that filtered out very simple in regard for me it would go up on both trainings 2018 so what is under control is I mean what was it again so it is not I wouldn't call it a very good in Facebook Evolution To Zero but I will definitely say that the social media play a very important um the responsibility and impact and reality first thing is very simple how did we organize so we can all look at what is happening by relative courage was that Tunisia

[55:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3300s) oh this and so this is where Facebook so at this point in time yes it doesn't mean it did fair enough and then to press and that was the first very first premiere the sense that the Press wrote about 30 seconds because one thing with each person I think we include that attention then social media play the role in providing view of Genesis with what is going on on the street here social media is all those emotions you can say something and Hope thank you

[57:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3450s) foreign so it's very very important exactly and I'm not sure um there is any matters because um and they use the box to post some of my kitchen and to tell everybody videos examples from many students and he was very traged enough to talk about it in this month and after that included 2008 in Facebook we started with our trying to Gathering teamwork so religion and the incredibly inspired to make disrupting our our movements so the internet because Facebook and the bus the best people to meet them in the ground so we I can say is making us to

[1:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3600s) learn and discuss everything to humanities we published papers to make a decision to make practitioner people to help we are trying to depends because translating because yeah I'm sorry um and attempt to break the fear barrier was Facebook Facebook foreign um

[1:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3750s) from 2014 to 2008 it wasn't just a really critical mass mobilization but from 2008 now all these different textbooks were maybe used as entertainment platforms as a famous political material criticizing environment um aside from 2010 social networks started taking another role with the recreational Publications such as one of a media um that was encouraging citizen journalism and with a message to Citizen genders to go out there and film any any irregularities during the department excited already um absolutely so one of the best demonstrations of the power of this is these initiatives that during the 2010 elections there were massive support and the elections results were of course baked and at that time chief of the energy which is really a very close um made an announcement saying that it has ever been as regular and clean and unreal collections of those and at the

[1:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=3900s) same time all these videos foreign you know from that events filming with camera we came to understand because the regime and police were very cautious at finding anyone you know in sensible situations held on the camera um Exchange completely and this is foreign

[1:07:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4050s) social networks thank you very much before I turn to your questions I wanted one more uh the regional specialist to talk to you and then we're going to go over here what can we do about this question uh that's the D's dresser who is from Mexico because in Mexico yes you have interest in political challenges new players obviously in America social media good afternoon it's a pleasure to be here as Kim said I am a Mexican political scientist trained formally as a political scientist but I'm probably best known in my country for being a political columnist and an activist for democracy I sit on the board of the Human Rights Commission for Mexico City but the role I am proud and stuff and the one that probably brings me here is as a professor at the autonomous technological Institute of Mexico and many of my students have gone on to become leaders of the burgeoning pro-democracy movement in Mexico known as Joseph I am 132 and if you're asking yourselves where this unusual name came from well it had to do with the presidential campaign when um the former ruling party's presidential candidateka went to visit a private university the universe and he was denounced and decried for

[1:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4200s) representing the embodiment of the past of the party that was seeking to return to power and once again controlling Mexico in a Client List corporatist corrupt fashion and he was literally kicked out of the university and that evening the national news there are only two television networks in Mexico and 98 percent of Mexicans received their political information through television the networks presented his visit to the university as it had been a smooth success as if you've been carried out in open arms and also the head of the former ruling party denounced students have said that they had been manipulated by external forces and that they were clearly not students of the University so the following day 120 and 31 students made a video an 11-minute video in which they all presented themselves with their uh their student credentials saying I am so and so I am number one I am so and so I am number two and they've put together a list of 131 students in this video another goal that I have is I'm an active Twitter I have 280 000 followers which were an academic is somewhat of a feat so I immediately tweeted this video and uh they're in the movement started gaining traction and more students and people started joining them and calling themselves I am 132. I am the additional one who joins this pro-democracy movement and what this movement is about is uh about demanding about uh creating a complexity about um making clear the Mexicans the the unusual character of Mexico's dysfunctional democracy because many people may explore the voted transition that Mexico underwent over the past two decades but it still remains a low-grade uh democracy um and there's there's I think important concerns regarding the possible political regression that the return of the former ruling part of their power after only two cycles of democratic

[1:12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4350s) elections might entails so um began to grow exponentially and led to some very interesting developments in Mexico's political scenario prior to the presidential election uh massive demonstrations down the main arteries and avenues of Mexico City and I was there I I I marched I yelled I made my uh my cartels denouncing um and I I tried to give my students advice support um provide them with strategic thinking as to how to keep this pro-democracy movement alive and what they managed to do was to put on the agenda several key issues that have been absent from the presidential debate and namely the olive oilistic nature of media control in Mexico the old all the globalistic concentrated nature of its political economy uh the fact that it was a very top-heavy autonomy with cronyism that runs around it and that even though we have had cycles of democratic elections there are still severe problems of representation and accountability and Corruption and the movement was fueled by the possibility of the PRI the former ruling party turning back the clock on Mexico's hard one and seemingly fragile Democratic pains so what social networks are trying to do is to improve the the quality of Mexico's liberal democracy to use for reading zakaria's turn to contribute to stop a political regression and to exercise from Mexico's new and incipient democracy the old Demons of corruption patrimonialism rented seeking that still run rampant throughout Mexico and I think that the success of yosoi simple things I vote was to put these issues at center stage and provide an incentive for change because one of the more perverse things about renting those democracy is that it's it's it uh the incentives for change from above are few or non-existent this is a system that has no re-election whatsoever for any political position so it basically promotes a system of elite rotation with uh very few incentives for actual

[1:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4500s) representation that accountability so to quote Barack Obama he once said in his presidential campaign the first one that power never concedes without a battle from the low and when social networks are trying to do in Mexico is to wage the battle from below because that's where the only incentives for change are actually going to come from they are not going to come from a political class that has a very comfortable situation a cart loads of public money and basically zero accountability now what are the perils for social networks and for your Associates in the post-election context because the PRI ended up winning despite the fact that there was this mobilization from the local Mexico's next president I think there are several risks one is the risk of radicalization of the student movement going too far to the left and joining forces with other social movements that have not had enough success in garnering support from Urban Elites and from the urban middle class that I think will be the real Force for change in Mexico I think the second apparel is irrelevance that the movement becomes too many things to too many people that it loses the loses its foundational idea the one that that that that uh catalyzed so much support in the beginning and it had to do with media control something that most Mexicans can relate to and systematically oppose and I think the third Peril and this may resonate with some of my Egyptian colleagues is the Democratic nature of removal of itself it's very hard for this movement to make decisions because there is a a multitudinous horizontal structure that leads to constant Assamese constant assemblies to reach even the most the the small list of decisions as to how to react to a new cycle or how to propose a public policy for legislative debate and I feel that the movement may end up being eaten by some of these mobile it's a horizontal nature of often skip of its structure but I think the the value going forward skillful things I lost their lives is that it's teaching Mexicans about its

[1:17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4650s) rights one of uh I think the worst legacies of 71 years of dominant party rule was to leave behind a country of people who don't understand their rights they don't know how to exercise but they haven't been trained in in the the habits of the heart that tocqueville spoke about that the skilled social capital and democracy they are passive apathetic and they don't know how to participate and you also simple training diagnosis creating new models of parts of accountability and of of recovering the public space that has been so dominated by political and economic release of political parties in Mexico so I think therein lies the hope for your Associated if it is able to surmount its internal and external difficulties and continue to be a cabinet could change in Mexico thank you not just what our government people say about all those Industries I'm going to do something that if Americans invented in the sport of baseball we're going to do something called the seventh inning stretch because all of you need to breathe down deeply into the bottom of your diaphragm and have the energy and mental alertness and continue for the last part of the seminar so if you're all going to stand up and do the seventh inning stretch and if you want to say shout Divas I'll take a rather or some revolutionary phone number or something by all right thank you I want you know that there is a strong scientific research okay

[1:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4800s) yourself um hi my name is and I have a question for our Egyptian employment and what's this time um what gave you the idea of the United States during the Civil Rights Movement s is elongated as a woman who took the courage to do by herself I'm very courageous act and then when you dig a little bit further you find that it should have been a trained in training she had been very well larger movement for two years before so I wonder if I can better understand the background of your decision to get on YouTube and really welcome to yourself um so widely and did you ever think that it would become so popular and I also have a question for the woman at the end who's more skeptical about social media you know I look at social media and I work for the US government right now we're even using social media to be more expensive towards um is is it social media kind of a way of democratizing Journalism I mean that's the way I've always looked at it and um as someone who reads books regularly and follows Twitter and I don't really see your minds of the anonymity anonymity of it because many authors and Democratic countries are very transparent about who they are and what they stand for so for me I just see it as a check and balances I check my mainstream news media the New York Times or whatever and I check the Blogger and I kind of come through stories and I get tickets and information from both so I just have that question to you about this maybe it's more of an issue of democratization Journalism questions the final responses actually before I asked my question and I I was speaking um

[1:22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=4950s) I want you to know that in order for your video changed my life and it changed the life of so many energy women who felt a very inspired by a woman that looked like them spoke the same language they spoke and I broke the Silence from women going into this week because everybody going to the street and something and when I'm going to Australia my question to you is um after the incidence of The Virginity tests and the other violations that happened to women Vice caps how do you think social media can still be effective and use all the footage and all the pictures regarding women's political and social participation in the coming period after president moist okay I'm sorry um thank you foreign

[1:25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5100s) thank you very much it's basically a question for our Egyptian friends but also for others reference was made at the beginning about the elections in Iran and the social media that were used at that time to mobilize demonstrations I remember myself following the Iranian demonstrations on Twitter my question for our Egyptian friends is were they watching Twitter at that time were they aware back in 2009 of what was going on in Tehran uh and did that have any echo in tapiro thank you today is the background here at the second with the back row good numbers foreign

[1:27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5250s) thank you very much oh thank you this question is mostly for the scholars in the room but also for anyone else who wants to professors and I mean we seem to have been talking about social networks and then social media the media that can be used to type social network so it seems that um it's um the medium itself has became fairly evident at the beginning that is has changed the speed of this course but is there something that fundamental change that has also brought with it in a way that it has not been drawn by different mediums in the past that you know wouldn't impressed on the works I mean clearly it also being immediately it's used for social networking so is there something fundamentally different that changes you know this kind of felt Quantum media that changes not only the way that we can create change but also Democratic governance um are you here and it's Kristoff great that's excellent so you guys will do the uh okay let's go to uh the hazards um a number to uh to go to the university why um

[1:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5400s) foreign your hands so um always received in of course beatings and rests and so on the same thing would happen when anyone involved in Life or attempt to use freedom of speech on January 18th 2011 so that's seven days Revolution a group of people accumulated and satisfied by any information and this book has been a sales capacity trades and so she decided that hello demonstrates all by yourself and live all without anyone and before being done she decided that she'd published a video explaining what she was about to do can we then move to you can get the other questions were um how about social media helping English and the question about okay um

[1:32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5550s) foreign all right so the question was if virginity tests the globalization is actually increased and um harassment stories that they had so that they would actually no longer again this fear of speaking out and uh simply starting to denounce what is actually a crime and that has to that there's no shame about them because they are the victims because the Iranian you talk about the question about the Iranian Revolution in 2009

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