# http://hub.coe.int/forum-mondial-de-la-democratie-5-11-octobre-2012 (part 2 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [400], part 2 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2012-10-08 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo. Text: automatic captions, uncorrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the money step (Global Village Development Bank, 2009), before the ledgers step (Ethereum launch, 2015).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Context; low usable content.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
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  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
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  - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine)
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- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: human rights (6 here; 38 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); Council of Europe (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); VICE (2 here; 19 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 2 undated); citizens (3 here; 63 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 3 undated); Pakistan (1 here; 18 sources in all, earliest dated 2010, 1 undated); jobs (3 here; 85 sources in all, earliest dated 2003, 4 undated); rule of law (1 here; 21 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 2 undated); Leashless (1 here; 23 sources in all, earliest dated 2009, 1 undated); skills (1 here; 67 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 5 undated); platforms (1 here; 76 sources in all, earliest dated 2008)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): Council of Europe
- Importance: core-text score 0.06 (1.00 is the top), number 671 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
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Cite as: http://hub.coe.int/forum-mondial-de-la-democratie-5-11-octobre-2012, video, 2012-10-08, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [400], https://guptaoption.com/texts/400.md.

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## Passages, part 2 of 2
[1:35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5700s) social networks alternative Solutions Rose immediately and one of the most beautiful ones was messages written on benefits let's take things and our exchange and so this is also I didn't take a strive to put all the focus of all the time on social media and another good example is that when the internet was cut for six days to the beginning of Revolution where you can stop but I'm wondering should come back to uh in the next session but um in response to the question from the back about what has fundamentally changed in contrast with an era of the printed press or traditional television networks uh controlled information and dissemination I think what what has changed fundamentally has been the instantaneous nature of this communication the immediacy the capacity to gain a quick response and use the instruments provided by social media to mobile us to bring people out to protest and um to react and using that reaction as an instrument for accountability and use it to scare power with the face of the state the emperor has no clothes in Mexico a reaction to television manipulation of the facts and people took the streets to say de levisa and board the state allegedly what should be the fourth estate before the first estate in Mexico is lying just lying to the Mexican public and I think the the second change is that it turns ordinary individuals into cybernautic citizens and we don't really need to belong to an NGO or any sort of

[1:37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=5850s) other civic association in order to participate anyone with a computer or a cell phone can literally start a movement and invite others to join it in countries where politics have been nominated by hardly Elites social media are democratizing the public space and Shifting the balance of power towards evil Society existence with many small additional growth from management immediately and of course since we talked about media and get a message about you and we also have to mentioned that we need to discussed it's almost three and so dissemination performance for free and the other very important thing which has nothing to do with the strength is the immediate measurability and this actually played a very interesting role for the press to talk about mobilization of things like jam is that they were for example A Million Lives on Facebook so it was worth a while of the journalism so the memorability personal impact of workstations is we have two more uh presentations or new new spaces and choices to hear the first one is foreign harmonized approach to what democratic activists should be asking for and looking for in other words when in societies are yielding Constitution and what they are looking for transmitting their Europeans it is

[1:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6000s) made any difference to people's specific literacy or not a vision something that legislative bodies is foreign the foreign sometimes in few minutes it suppose it's possible to create and Destroy other features voters themselves are able to judge political leaders change their own convention or see them confirmed more and welcome good charges depend on the opinions we find on nature surely news of Internet influence facilities a strong reduction of bureaucracy and opacity not only in this state structure but also the politically past life in fact there is the senior risk that a lot of people cannot use

[1:42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6150s) internet of social media as for example all the people or people submitted to the digital designs distance globalization of Internet reduced over abolished digital divide organization of internet access is decaying a condition of good democracy and a condition to improve more transparent political life in the second risk would be the case of production political election surely politics is overcome and sometimes we prefer to indulge on desire for users rather than protocols that you believe it online or sacrifice which is difficult for the future of of the country some dual opportunity very positive instruments maximum risk nowadays use of income thank you is a very interesting point so there's there is the digital divide in terms of economic Urban rural Etc is more urban but also a generational design and I was getting something but when I was in government um only one of my fellow cabinet ministers had a computer I didn't get one until 1994 kicking myself I hadn't done it before I think Bill Clinton still was not suited with his own email

[1:45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6300s) and what's interesting there is a generational divide not just in terms of people who lose social media but in terms of some of the people who are making the policy about social media and I read infinite numbers in college for some people say you know I got a fancy you know Catholic or something whenever I can't think of it because my four-year-old and there is really a very interesting generational difference in terms of the facility of being in this material but also built to amazing the policy and before Barbara ends up I'm just wondering are you do you find if you need to control it um but I think um is services consider the story haha just kidding but um for example governments are going online it's the problem s so then Steve you are a historian and Diplomat former Vice minister of culture

[1:47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6450s) in National Heritage culture sorry thank you very much for the uh and I was observing please uh in 1982 I was young student and it was time uh just about six miles apart it was still a group of Columbus time uh approach Society uh just uh and in that movements has long enough and I was keeping people uh a

[1:50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6600s) today how to deal with the social media at that time so uh if you're not talking sure about future values but first of all when you're talking about the Democracy you must understand the less underline that the numbers will determine photographers so all shows videos from themselves after the first learn more foreign acceleration and documents uh

[1:52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6750s) when we are talking about people uh it's also a government so if a little of them are standing there is cigarettes and they are in enough University by sellers everybody from the University of foreign uh in other cases look at the activists who are kind of presidency

[1:55:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=6900s) that's right of the research the impacts of uh before of the local government it was an essential report which inspects our instructions illustration thank you social media are like anything on ice cream sundaes yeah so there is nothing there are reading none of these techniques that we can use or that we can promote uh with the assurance that they will never be against us and that is why I suggest that you know we we even dystopian novels where many of the capacities that we take for granted today were just fantasy you know and I

[1:57:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7050s) always say you know I I am I I'm admitting this too this is terrible including my reputation but I was talking to people who said why would you ever want to take a picture with yourself thank you mechanisms were good uh mechanisms for uh fighting corruption or you know human version of the YouTube phase support captioning criminals or actually received a challenges of police there are all sorts of ways in which feedback our voices were good but there are also ways to existing privacy and conduct uh survive and surveillance so this gets us back in many ways in the discussion we had this morning about whether we did have markets about democracy just as markets need to be regulated so as medical democracies need to be very clear on the protections that they offer to people from the use of social media and again we have to be very carefully this would suggest that the president of Pakistan president of the bombing is a good Expressions the other day as some women who's addressing the United Nations but he said that the answer to speech is more speech in other words Free Speech you know people like me say beautiful things and for people from the society where this is not a value it is hard to imagine that you would tolerate that you have legal protection to speak which is very offensive in my country the only speech which is prohibited is speech which incites people to violences against identifiable groups surprise but uh terrible things are protected because who's going to decide what's terrorism and if the political party or somebody with an interest or some English business person doesn't like to criticizing the product that they created something you wind up in love with those issues so the answer is more species kind of approximation of the truth but it is interesting and I'll talk to myself

[2:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7200s) to you when we talk about what are the kinds of legislation and regulations in the United States the Federal Communications Commission for many years added regulations that require public media Outlets television radio stations that's what they call fair and balanced reporting in other words if you were providing a particular point of view on a political campaign of those issues there had to be an opportunity for some the differences and what this meant was that most television and radio stations they may have favored one side more than the other but there was always in front of somebody the argument on both sides in the late I think 1970s they actually changed that regeneration although it took a while for it to be really implemented to the point where now American television stations are very partisan and very ideological and the bottom is confirm their own point of view and so the notion of hearing things as a kind of a dialogue it's gone now just hearing the dialogue that we would have to change people's mind you actually need to hear people who are like you do respect as president the office will probably change your own but if you're still looking to don't have anything on something we have different problems and good chances are or maybe more so when we're talking about the use of Fitness media it isn't just a question of saying you know we must cut them off or you can't do this the question what is the broader context where you can maximize the touch of Freedom responsible freedom to make mistakes freedom to say things that are stupid the freedom to be wrong while at the same time an overall structure that made sure that everybody has that freedom and that the chances are that people will will hear and whether it's even in the education system as many schools do actually give media literacy courses foreign

[2:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7350s) so I think what we're seeing here is an enormous opportunity to create wonderful changes but the double-edged sword yeah that is it's a problem and it's religions um you know it's interesting if you think that I could be her late 19th early 20th century and the concerns that police forces have about revolutionary cells uh both countries I don't know that that's what they're going to go away with let me come back to the comments or questions sir one two three um

[2:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7500s) is foreign foreign

[2:07:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7650s) exciting Community to broadcast and now also online for getting a platform for ordinary students to make their own media and provide an alternative teaching ordinary systems and how to become a media producers to sell giving them interested um Kevin said that um around the table yesterday had um a professor of Professor Leash from the United States He presented the model for senior Society or nationality I don't think we're going to have time the main points were that student Society organizations should be more creative in using media in particular participatory informatics so Life 2.0 request 2.0 to engage with citizens and to take to response they get but they need to actually include all of that feedback from all this work the second point was that in authoritarian Virginia is really encourage speakers from Tunisia online and social media is crucial to specific engagement um if you've seen immediacy as we said today and resonance to social movements that have already existed since many years but having said that for democracy and pluralism you need a diverse media landscape so policy and National International and local level the theme has secured A diversity devices usually Public Service private

[2:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7800s) and Community media and they need to learn expression pretty much differently outcome thank you thank you so we didn't we weren't all that clear in this discussion supposed to talk about social medias and Twitter for the internet who are brought up what was Leslie Bill to introduce the internet to kind of replicate and mimic more standard media like radio and television which now we can do that on the internet in a way that this needs to preventable from the sake of profession so there are ways in which division that provides a kind of democratization okay my name is I'm director of the European Center digital earthquake of the European Association of geographers and is significant so digital divide there are a lot of questions second point the importance of the technology as an enabler not to be controlled and to see communities professionalize themselves so that they can produce counter arguments in my profession counter maps are very important documents when changes happen the fact that you can professionalize your community and professionalize yourself with Web 2.0 and publish their maps to counter against things

[2:12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=7950s) third point we haven't really heard a lot about education we need to bring in this critical events of this geographical request we call it because it's not just the movie itself it's the practice of passion practice the fourth point I work lobbying here in an absolutely decision makers are completely unaware of what we're really talking about um they're unaware of the significance complexity and strategic level and the fact that there are half a million jobs out there working business I typically I'm a geographic perspective only in Europe and there are a hundred thousand jobs that can't be fit right now and we haven't got an education to allow those jobs the final Point therefore is a solution we really need a Futures education group that is really important because we're talking about educating people for this Revolution and it is a Revolution and the wrong major change is taking place and we need to be thinking forward and that to me is the thing that we're really missing and it's giving us a European I've written and I wouldn't post it but that's something that we really needs to develop uh not just here it's a group we've been really strategically look at what's an educational young people need so they can be critical so they can be aware and so that they can understand the fact that they're living a digital fingerprint tablet and that's going to follow them in their life that's big the big issue is both for positive the other things exactly things okay go ahead um uh we're talking quite a lot how to use social media to say no in disagree to protest

[2:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8100s) but there is the real question is how we can use social media to support democracy not just to play Protest against you same apparently this is the key issue bringing people together to be very well equipped with those with professional sometimes 20 years ago to say no which is made on some stage but then you should take responsibility how the social media can help us to build on that problem when we have chance of free speech and to build something the level s um European regression is universities foreign

[2:17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8250s) um foreign have muscles foreign

[2:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8400s) significance democracy of course foreign thank you foreign community

[2:22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8550s) is simple enough foreign thank you very much only two minutes because you raises also philosophical discussion very important first is that someone really would need education is the risk uh our website from behind he is a philosophical question very discussed in this time I think I appreciate a lot another point of view we have a lot of more relaxed reality if you are connected but one key point in this discussion today or discuss today is that what is this more or less reality towards it in digital jailbreak there are they have the only one digital and yeah key point to discuss for the next time second question of the use of this

[2:25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8700s) keys to the himself could be used in a good direction or bad relationship is the same for every instrument that the human race event in the last and nowadays times so a key point is education to use in the right way this is true and the third question is another key question for the next time next year before but it's a very important question what happened after the profession the question is after protest we can build something through the instruments the tools of social media to propose something for marketing another form of participation reduced with progressing institution or new political leader this is the challenge there is a challenge not only foreign thank you very much yeah thank you very much first I'd like to just really briefly clarify to switch off olinsky very disagree which I like that is uh don't get me wrong I went several times to our countries and I am trying to inspire transfer some knowledge from our countries our transition and so on into Egypt and maybe atmosphere and train the engineers or Walmart but the fundamental difference if don't take it seriously and if it will be just using power of positive thinking we will be doing wrong things these countries are unlike us after all of Communism in Poland or my country we were not poverty was not a problem church was not a problem military was not a problem in literacy was not a problem and most of all all our process of transition was

[2:27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=8850s) navigated by membership perspective in youth where we were getting massive political diplomatic NGO development speeds and so on I think that all of these they don't have so I think that fundamentally to help these countries to go through these changes last point is education I think that I also consider this a critical importance and since we are on the Council of Europe so we're education culture and rule of law is a written Battle of the world I think that this needs to be highlighted a bunch of others ngos cannot change these countries we in my country 20 years after that we found ourselves teachers protesting for the first time because they are neglective some of the pain and so on as political education which when it is done only by ngos and group of sort of non-governmental actors enough to achieve lasting transition I am happy that the school of political Excellence from various countries young people are here but I think we need to get out of the form of educational system and I think the business needs to be stressed and the last extensions I think that of Arab countries suddenly they are reminding us that of courage and creativity is all about that when few people can achieve perform challenges and I think that this is what we all respect to many of these people including those who are these seminar or confidence what we have here thanks uh respond to those uh speakers um we're talking about a hugeot division and um and about countries that don't have much access to Internet and their large parts of the population Russia probably uh as well as

[2:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=9000s) I think that situation is changing rapidly uh I don't know I don't have exact disease how many Russians will have computer and use Twitter Facebook and all that stuff I know I have foreign I was absolutely sure that uh the statistics with internet success is better probably than 50 or something other problem is that um not all of the internet users are interested in social media and if they're interested in social media in fact we're talking about they are writing and reading about getting about sex about whatever uh sociological research uh it was only two weeks last December when in Russian School of Internet politics was more popular than most sexual people um but some I also see uh See there's a positive trend but it's very very long process we we need to come thank you I just want to try to bring to the channel that's very interesting yes it's uh it's something that's useless for prisoner and performance Minister as you said that social media should be used not having to say no but also it's important and I'd like to react to that and hope that when we do have democracy then we won't be in social media at least about the social media which is corporate which is privacy only it's raises because privacy of the the commercial use of private information so on just to talk about my personal case it's really when it's a very very last resort that I have nothing else

[2:32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=9150s) this is an agreement it is private information hungry such as Facebook or Gmail Google to do what I have to do because I have no other choice now if I achieve democracy and I still have to go through these things I think I'm a very good democracy I wanted to I want to society because we can use Facebook together for my Society to have Facebook to be Facebook so I think if social media for maybe proud to become a public service just a word of caution uh regarding the double edge story in terms of social media we tend to equate civil society and social media as forces for good but I'd like to underscore that that's not necessarily the case um the internet Twitter these are our noisy messy diverse forums they can also be very intolerant and very anti-democratic um I've I've been the subject of death threats on the internet they're not always and not necessarily a space for the promotion of democratic values there's a lot of hatred and non-hometax disseminated by social media and I think this is a a corrosive academic corrosive impact on countries without strong political institutions or an establish established framework for Democratic discourse social media everything becomes not an instrument for a democratic consolidation but rather than reverse I think those kinds of hate field things have always been created but now because somebody is social media it's a lifetime you can do whatever you want but you can say now and you can take your own position you can still get your own post and you can explain it everywhere but when we talk about

[2:35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=9300s) strong thank you very much first of all um that wants to achieved democracy every morning that's why I didn't have so much competition s a corporate policy together which are technical social media and the Pirates so they are appealing the the nuts because they appear about the system as I said we don't need to change since the collapse of Sudan in last year the realities you apologize

[2:37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=9450s) and please um we have trust and that's a kind of an answer to the public damage I mean in many cases people without trying to build up these numbers exclusive or substitutions and you can tell us a story to give us more good courage foreign two kinds of social subsidiarity that Luke could talk to us taking power adapters the virality of Courage all the social networks to help give people distracting

[2:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GCbX0Ulyo&t=9600s) her information but all of these two in our own hands like any good tool exceptions is something that that you have to contain and use for good thank you for being a great great audience thank you to all of our wonderful timeless thank you all right folks this has been another wishlist live stream production cheers this has been another leashless live stream production take care

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