# Council of Europe World Forum for Democracy Internet/Media session

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [399]. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

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- Source: video, 2012-10-09 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA. Text: automatic captions, uncorrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the money step (Global Village Development Bank, 2009), before the ledgers step (Ethereum launch, 2015).
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  - In a Page (2010): A series of one-page papers, mostly from spring 2010, each putting one argument on a single sheet. (suggested by machine)
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
  - Blind in the Panopticon: The decreasing marginal utility of access to information as an aspect of cyber policy (2012): Cyber policy essay: past a point, more surveillance data has negative value, because a state can collect... (suggested by machine)
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  - CheapID to Mattereum: One identity pattern, from a person's ID card in 2006 to warranties on physical goods in 2017. (through a work suggested by machine)
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- Topics: Open government & anti-corruption (68%); The Global Cyber Game (14%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: citizens (9 here; 63 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 3 undated); human rights (5 here; 38 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); cyber (4 here; 32 sources in all, earliest dated 2009); Council of Europe (1 here; 4 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); accounts (3 here; 51 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 1 undated); rule of law (1 here; 21 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 2 undated); Spanish (1 here; 28 sources in all, earliest dated 2002, 3 undated); platforms (1 here; 76 sources in all, earliest dated 2008)
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Cite as: Council of Europe World Forum for Democracy Internet/Media session, video, 2012-10-09, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [399], https://guptaoption.com/texts/399.md.

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## Passages
[0:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=0s) we are looking in our own communities is I know the people is from Macedonia and from Alban are fighting for the building for the for the build of the or the construction of the church I think something is happening in Europe but it's something that you cannot it will extend to the to the new social media and and they will fight in social media and out of social media if they find if they call themselves they will even fight so the the problem solving has to has to take another for has to has has to have to have dialogue to you know to create mechanisms participation mechanisms to to solve that confli so I think it's only an extention and and concerning to the to the question of making is in if you think about I put that people in you know in local in local in a local context I'm not thinking about National about about National La making I think is has has just said we we we elect some politicians to to make some decisions for us and I think we we elect some politicians to make some loss for us but in a loal context what happened if you can organize yourself with if you can organize the the whole Community with think think a community of 2,000 person or 5,000 or maybe 15,000 person that you can make your own you can agree with your own rules you know is the is uh a legislative a legislative instrument that is called in Spanish B I don't know how to say this in English you know it's a but imagine that is like a local local Constitution as local Constitution when he a constitutions or or rules only for other loss only for 15,000 people or for the municipality at the end of the day so if you can if you can be part of that process just are we in in public as as an antique democracy as an anti as as an

[2:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=150s) old democracy imagine in Greece I don't know I'm thinking of those kind of process you can deliver it actually in the public in the public CL in the public in a public space and then and then with referend and with your own participation is in those kind of if if you have two people just can raise your hand to say I agree with this or I don't agree with this that's what what I was saying thinking when I in local context and and I don't want this be this or provoke compion I don't know how to say this well I don't want to be is taken for national law making processes because is different I was talking only for local examples that was clear thank you Mr Fernandez now one more question before getting back to our speakers uh Mr sures from Nepal good morning and thank you I from Nepal and I'm happy to be part of this program today on the issue of social media uh I am working through uh civil society and media organizations the name of media Initiative for rights equity and social transformation uh M Nepal to create an informed citizen in my country Nepal through citizens rights Camp so it is quite related with the New Media regarding the making of informed CI and I'd like to thank all the contributors uh and uh for their elegant presentation presentation and I have few questions which can be responded by any of the contributors later number one those social media social New Media has been very effective for actual social mobilization and it's very cost effective CH media for uh operating it by any ordinary

[5:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=300s) ciens so that are the positive aspects of media however there are few other aspects that should be addressed by this deliberation one is how to protect the right to privacy that has to be effectively uh uh this forum should give cred addresses to this right to privacy and right to non bence or right to peace if anybody wants to live in peace then he should be given or she should be given the chances to live in peace that sort of thing should be uh given and uh The credibility of the information that is being floated in the New Media how to make those news and information more credible that sort of mechanisms should be developed by the users of New Media in my country there are almost 1.2 million people who are engaged in social media out of 20 million population but I also like to know from this for that how social media can be more it can be made more effective and impactful in the situation where there is useit in the country where there is H literacy and where there is ignorance thank you and I just I to raise the last point last so now the media has will very disruptive and both creating challenges and opportunities for the society and democracy the most serious challenge that has been posed by New Media in developing or emerging countries like Nepal if it has contributed a lot in generating negative hm in the society there should be some sort of intervention needed for minimizing the threat from the growth of increasing tendency of negativism which can destabilize or ultimately kill the is of democracy

[7:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=450s) thank you thank you very much very complete intervention I say C Effectiveness using literacy any aspects were touched I don't know if any of you wants to react to this question okay I guess that some of the of the answers will come from our speakers who are ready to present themselves so I will close for now with questions and I will give the floor to Mr Alexandra Yi executive director of European Magazine Cafe babel.com translated in six languages Cafe babel.com is the first European online media ring on a network of 1,500 contributors all around Europe to promote a public opinion with a under a European point of view you have the floor thank you very much for this introduction um first of all I'd like to to give a short presentation about who I am and why I'm speaking here in front of you maybe sorry French sorry this way it used the internet as expression in other words you can see that traditional journalists would say into is just rumors it's not professional and

[10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=600s) gradually we had to establish the cred information what we see today and this leads me to this discussion now internet is still perceived as a threat by many individuals a threat politicians and you seeex at sensorship of the internet but also a threat for journalists who in a way have lost the Monopoly of their um role as journalists the first point I want to is the relationship between the internet andiz Mr and Mr Fernandez have said this before me quite rightly basically they said is a tool for expression it does not and canot repace the will it is simply a means to allow political expression therefore it is dangerous to associate internet with a political force internet social media is simply a means to express political message which means that if you don't have a political message the internet is simply a communication to so what the internet does isal what we've noticed recently is that it is very it is based on an essentially individual phen I people have been able to express themselves more easily and this expression has allowed us to think about different ideas we had before on ways of controlling public expression this liberation of world has led to messages that were a form of information but that were journalistic in their nature we've seen it in blogs or the journalism by citizens in other words it was the work of journalists done by professional journalists in the media landscape and now bloggers are recognized as a legitimate source of information and secondly it's a movement for individual expression and you see that thanks to the internet Facebook YouTube We to forget you any

[12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=750s) individual because it means that everybody can express their view not necessarily legitimately anyone can speak in the international Arena Beyond borders but I think we have to careful the fact that you're expressing your view on internet doesn't mean that you're heard and it doesn't mean that you're listened to behind that freedom of expression there has to be some support and that's where I think journalists also have a role to play take the example film the innocence of Muslims a film that was disseminated on YouTube s months ago at the time before it was translated into Arabic no one had heard of it but the minute it was translated into that's when the gained impetus what does it mean it means that individual expression itself generate what generated the reaction was when you translated that F by groups in Egypt that is when the message was took on an international Dimension that's where the message was used instrumentalized and that's how you see that this individual expression can instrumentalize a message in their interest for political purposes the 2011 events if you analyze the Arab Spring at you see for mobilization mobilization doesn't mean a political tool if you look if you mobilization basically means that you allow groups to meet to support a political movement and there it's a wonderful to because in situations where speech was censored in situations where individual expression was limited internet managed to break that completely and it was an amazing U movement because it took political leaders completely unawares and that's where a generational look at Egypt you have a political class that was 70 years old on average they understood nothing they didn't see it coming at all and that mobilization was possible than to that if you look at what happened in Egypt internet allowed that mobilization but the political movement pre-existed the mobilization

[15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=900s) there was an urge to change and their internet accompanied that change what has also been said by previous speakers is that the political movement was possible through blogs before that in 200345 internight becomes a 404 expression through these blogs in order to disseminate expression that was not necessarily an official expression and very useful in that respect secondly that is terrible for dictatorships is that internet is a sort of mobilization and spreads like a virus through the web that of course triggers many issues many questions in particular in terms of regulations of the internet this takes me to my second Point regulating the should we be regulating internet should we supervise freedom of expression on the internet I think on this point we're touching on something that is very dangerous very risky because basically you approach the internet from the standpoint of fear in other words the fear that you cannot control something something that many of us in this room do not understand I think we have the generational problem here that is obvious I think that we absolutely must protect individual expression this is absolutely essential that should always be our objective and we shouldn't get it wrong we must encourage freedom of expression at a time where an increasing number of states are trying to censor individual expression this is what we're talking about we must protect freedom of expression here internet change the situation change the situation because message were conveyed instantly but the internet did not invent rumors we saw that before the media the Press were vehicles for information but rumors existed way before the internet so we need to understand that rumors used uh traditional media false information was disseminated or on television the only thing internet has done is to make the transmission of

[17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1050s) information more instantaneous the internet is also a form of information open to the entire world as I said everyone can express their view on the internet but not everyone is listened to and what we must avoid is the instrumentalization of our speech bys that want in fact to criticize individual expression for political purposes that is where the risk lies what we should ask ourselves is not whether we should protect individual expression which we should but further protect journalists in this world where everyone can express themselves I think we need to reinvent the role of journalists in other words the code of ethics that will take into account the integration of social media the better understanding different also and also some hindsight is the information that is disseminated let me give you some of the more dangerous examples in our communication society today see how these local events will suddenly take on a disproportionate Dimension because of the media I'll just give one example during the riots in France I don't know you remember riots in the suburbs of Paris the media said Paris has explosive situation Paris riots throughout France this information and the media immediately latched onto that same thing with the U of Muhammad that were published in Denmark and in France same thing the media latched on to that the Muslims reacted immediately very violently that led to dangerous situations where people risked losing their lives so journalists must accept their responsibility and must check sources and information that is given last Point politicians politicians should support this freedom of movement of expression on the internet they should refrain from controlling public speaking if you try control it'll elsewhere anyway so the approach should

[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1200s) not be to ban it but to support it I encourage politicians to use the social media to express themselves to enter into dialogue with citizens prohibitions bans will lead to nothing finally on individual rights I don't think it will ever be possible to prevent individuals from expressing themselves they can Anis analysis of that information and get the best out of those social media and their lists are essential because they can support the expression by citizens I think we should never try and uh try and restrict freedom of expression it's essential it's the only way of [Applause] enhancing was very interesting to this point the point of view of a web editor and uh how somehow when we speak about truthfulness that is possible thanks to the internet then we need someone to certify the truthfulness that according to your opinion the journalists and then the role of social media about the City University New York New York school of law she leads human rights in China uh human rights and media advocacy and strategic policy

[22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1350s) and in the Chinese statement at this conference but CH said very clearly the internet must be managed by governments secondly legislation and regulation is needed to manage and protect the internet thirdly cyber security these governments emerging Nations must cooperate to address the challenges of cyber security and finally um this means that the question that we are focusing on in this morning should the internet be regulated the should has already been answered it's answered by many of the governments in which we work and it's answered by China brick and the SEO member states Russia China kakan tan this has been answered affirmatively so it's no longer a should question for many of the large influential governments and the blocks of governments the question for us then is not should it be regulated but

[25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1500s) what are the intervention points for civil society and what are the intervention points for human rights groups and for uh Democratic uh governments um for thir I can pointed in any place in the room it just appears so for my organization we were formed in 1989 on the eve of the military Crackdown in tan squ that's when the people's Liberation Army was called out on on unarmed civilians for the last 23 years we've been working on trying to promote democracy and great space in China for the last 12 years since I've um been taking the post of the U leadership of the organization we have developed this model essentially for um promoting the forces for change inside China we see the change in China is happening and has been happening and it's happening from really bottom up from the people and our strategy is an integrated one that links technology advocacy and the media and our media work in in each of these areas we work at a level of cases working on individual case commissions we work at the level of policy specific policies that we've been working on in Internet governance regulation counterterrorism and the human rights responsibilities of transnational companies particularly foreign companies in China in terms of Technology we address both the policy issues and then something that I can talk perhaps more privately with those of you interested is we also have been involved for about the last eight years in technology development that is a very small NGO we have been involved in developing Technology Solutions for safe secure private access in China so um and the framework within which we work is international human rights with a focus on freedom expression access to information and protection so that's essentially our framework so we've heard a lot of statistics about uh the um internet in the world and then to give you some scale to Tunnel down to China um yesterday there was a lot of reference to the scale speed and scope of new Med in China it's not only the speed and scale of the community iation it's the speed of the growth which I'm going to

[27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1650s) show you in a moment beginning less than 12 15 years ago when the backbone was built in China and I would footnote by routers by Cisco the whole backbone by Mel the Canadian company so the foreign companies essentially built the internet in China however in less than 20 years China from having to be built is now building out and exporting its technology Hardware software and its values so this has been a very fast uh change um if you compare this at the beginning of 2012 the whole EU population was the the tablets um a lot of Samsung Galaxy tablets many of these um the official numbers was um about almost close to 388 million but Wong the propaganda chief of China said at the emerging Nations conference he gave the figure which is quite astounding he said there are now more than 800 million blog user accounts in China um the official numbers are actually a little bit more than 300 million because most Chinese bloggers micro bloggers myself included has more than one account you need to have more than one account because we call this you know internet Nomad activism one goes down and just post to the others and you do c like that so the 800 million users may not be 800 million people but it's their accounts so I'm not going to go through all these statistics but to make this big Point first of all you see this exploding virtual space that means in 2000 less than 12 years ago there were 16.9 million people on the internet today there's over 538 million and as I'm speaking the number is probably clicking up the um the the the if you look at way boy users this is our Chinese version they would say of Twitter but I would say were much more than 140 characters that Chinese Twitter on the WG War um we can transmit photos videos uh hold

[30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1800s) documents case boot all kinds of things are coming out of the Ws and in 2010 there were only 3 million accounts and now well over closing in on 300 million but they're posting over 2 million post per day so the content is they're posting over 200 million post per day so the question about circumvention censorship in China the question has become different you can take down a blogger or a way B but they have a million followers so if they have a million followers and you take down their post after 15 minutes it doesn't matter because a million people have read it so this becomes if you take down 13 million posts as the Chinese Crackdown official authorities said it doesn't matter took down 13.5 million posts because it's 200 million every day so this is really the big picture there were some questions raised about digital divide and poor countries China is both a very very poor country and a very very wealthy powerful country in the countryside which is over 700 million people the migrant workers which is about 200 million the question is about access if you don't have have a home and you don't have electricity you don't have an account how do you have an internet how do you have access to the internet it's the internet Pathways so about five or six years ago we did a survey of about um we did about 12 or 15 uh cities and and and we went into the urban areas this is what we saw the demographics of Internet users in China was male young and college educated 7even years ago however if you go to the rural areas it becomes more female older older as in my age 50 60 they're there in the internet cafes and the demographics break down and what are they doing in the cafes completely starts breaking down they're playing games and they're doing other things so the main point I want to say about the these demographics is that it's shifting it's fast and it's quite fluid now 3 seconds 10 so against this is a very volatile

[32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=1950s) landscape in China for us right now for activists in China there is a political earthquake and this is not overing it at the top and the leadership transition in November frankly is very hard right now um to predict the Chinese party the Communist Party CC has a DNA of information and social control and this DNA is encoded in its political survival comparative and this is something you will see very clearly the second volatile part of the landscape is that the internet and the social media the bottom pressure thank you to AB spring that the fear that it created in the Chinese authorities that Jasmine Revolution you couldn't have jasmine tea in China after the Jasmine Revolution jasmine flowers were banned for sale in Hong Kong and when we were protesting in Hong Kong we were getting out jasmine flowers it was the B the flower itself so that uh can show how not only is courage viral hope is viral the um Arab Spring the Jasmine Revolution gave tremendous hope to Chinese internet activist um the final is the ongoing challenges to Chinese citizen activism it's not only from the authorities it is coming from the private sector from the internet service providers and from other citizens which perhaps I'll have time more to talk about in the um Q&A this is the quick picture of a structure of um how information control occurs in China it is comprehensive it is relying on law regulation a security apparatus and a state ofth Arts technology one of the advantages of being poor and backward with no internet is the advantages of frauding the technology so China went from nothing to state-of-the Arts fiber optic background in other words it was able to build the very most stateoftheart technology to build its system and some of the things that I don't have time to go through but it's that um the when Western democracies are trying to talk about how can we promote freedom of expression Etc this is a special issue that we did on

[35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=2100s) the internet in China you can get it off of our website but the propaganda Chief laid out a comprehensive plan for how China controls the internet and it's key point for the internet is dangerous the internet is dangerous not to journalists the internet is dangerous to the leadership because it allows thinking because it allows independent expression so the challenge for managing the internet in China from the perspective of the leadership is how to ensure correct unified thinking on the internet and our report we we we translated the whole report by wangan and this is what he said he gave examples of how successful the managers were of controlling internet and this is primarily in part through what we call the wum the 50 centers these are uh a training ground uh for um it's not false opinion it's a training ground for web monitors monitoring the expression on the internet I want to give you a quick example we talk a lot about expression and no one's listening well what are Chinese people saying when they get on to the internet we do we create a lot of online platforms this is an example of the content that is published in our shanan it is a Chinese electronic journal that goes into China and it comes out of China and as you can see rule of law legal reform protest and petitioners June 4th 23 years on still calling for accountability comment on current events and Defender particular cases this is the universe of the citizen activism that we're covering now I'll show you something that's very interesting this is a web page that we found when we analyze how because we're blocked all of our websites are blocked our YouTube channel is blocked but we get direct traffic from China so who could they be if our websites are blocked if everyone China that comes to us comes to us primarily through proxy links that we provide however where does the direct traffic come from we have a guess it's from the public Security Department because their job is to monitor not only Chinese inside the country the Chinese outside the country so this website we found because we we track down every single ISP IP address that refer traffic to us from China and let me tell you tell you what this is we think it's a training ground for the Web

[37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=2250s) Internet police or the monitors and this is what it does it categorizes all the websites in the world and so they're categories and they're like mainstream media International media BBC CNN and it tells them how to get to those websites this is the big surprise we found one of our journals categorized under uh you don't see it but it's under uh G need high level internal reference we were not put in the category of dissidence and Etc we were put under the category of high level internal references which means good discussion good information good quality and then this is what happened when we opened up our Journal it said to be criticized in other words it was telling the monitor what the correct position was Visa our Journal uh though it was useful so one second to wrap political earthquake as you all know in the news this is the political earthquake that led up to where we are now W J fleen to the US counselor started the whole earthquake and he has now been sentenced to 15 years for abuse of power taking broad spending the wall huki the wife of Bai who was slated to be one of the top leaders she's been arrested and then recently sentenced to death with twoyear suspension for murder of a business associate so that didn't wasn't very good for B's political future he has now been expelled from the Communist party this month facing criminal prosecution for bribes abusing power and inappropriate affairs with women so this we don't know what will happen in November but if you do want to know we don't know either but on our YouTube channel we are monitoring reading the TVs all of these different events we produce short videos where we're commenting and analyzing uh what could be the significance of these various um events I'm going to end with uh some quick comments for questions and that is we were talking about Civil Society I don't think Civil Society is always civil social media at its core is social that means it's and very particular social for China for us it means for the mainland Chinese social media and old media is embedded in a historic cultural language TR that includes the cultural revolution which

[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=2400s) destroyed all social fabric of trust and and created a whole society of people who couldn't trust anyone in Hong Kong our social media content is over 100 Years of a colonized history and in Hong Kong we are now fighting for the rights to democratic election in Hong Kong that was promised us when we were um returned to the mainland at the end of the day everyone's been quoting someone and I'd like to close with quoting Lua who is serving 11 years in prison for working on democratic reform and for publishing simply publishing if you want to read what gets you 11 years prison sentence in China we translated all his six articles which all got less than 500 600 hits on B websites so publishing on banned websites that can't be accessed from China back 11 years he said he made a challenge not to the government he challenged Chinese he challenged ourselves and he said in any society ruled by dictatorship when those who pursue Freedom publicly disclose it and practice what they preach as long as they manage to be Fe Us in the small details of everyday life in what they say and what they do everyday life we will become a fundamental force that will help the system of enslavement thank you [Applause] reality of China with those figures that are really impressive users users now we are almost uh closing this session I have quite a few questions nonetheless so I will open up for two questions uh please in order to allow me to get as many of them as possible please try to be concise in your interventions starting from mohameda from

[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=2700s) another question wanted to react [Music] from SCH studies so uh thank you very much speakers was very interesting I was interested in the social media and other internet basic issues uh so uh maybe you know I don't know but I would like to say one information that this year uh in a there will be annual internet governance Forum uh uh in Baku so this is the will be the huge International event that will be gathered about 3,000 people in the world and more than uh 100 countries so the registration is now open till the 15th October so you can apply and in position as well so there I mentioned a lot of things here um and the main thing is that in a there is free internet free access in every side you want uh and for information I would like to say that about uh more about 50% of the people are user of internet and if we talk about the social media for example Facebook uh about 1 million people are using the Facebook so that already n Milli and I think it's

[47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=2850s) the a good point uh yes lot of in our country social media and supp but the M thing is the that in our country we are considered the and the South which is region and our 20% of occupation and for this social media and New Media supp but sometimes it's a little bit sensible it's a bit hard to support this why because sensitive region sensitive country and also free internet free access in each and is person Saudi Arabia andand from France uh how we can use the internet how we can use the social media in order to enhance peace building issues in the conflict area how we can do in more useful way we talk about economic we didn't talk about the peaceful peaceful uh issues for this so i' would like to hear from this thank you thank you very much

[50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=3000s) [Music] for for thank you very much now Mrs H wanted to add something I want to say something previously about the anonymity question and I think it's important to pull it apart There's real name use of your real name and the second thing is um this uh uh question of um the the tracing that back to the IP address so um I was subject to a massive smoothing where someone used my email address and spoed it and basically sent it to every single organization government media press on my list and and delivered a very very bad Mal attack a very sophisticated

[52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=3150s) attack that was a twole attack we traced it and you can read it we actually technically went back to the forensics and we traced it and we found that the attack and control server that launched the attack was located in delu Province China so this is where we but we can't say that the computer or the person who's uh owns the computer wherever the company that owned the computer was the attacker this is the problem in cyber attacks of plausible deniability you can trace the attack to computer the control and attack server you can't say who did it so I think that's that's one problem on real registration China launched a f five sample cities be Jing Shanghai you know the big cities and then a six City saying that the isps the internet service providers must require a real name for an internet user to register an account so it's not a choice it's you either don't go on the Internet or you register your real name the mobile phones they know who you are the phone has a unique ID they know who owns the phone because when you buy the phone you have to register so of those billions they know who owns the phones the the the the here is where citizen action came Place Chinese citizens are pushing pushing back on real name registration they don't want real name registration and so there was a lot of pushing back on the uh in the cyber space and so the real registrations are just not being implemented in a harsh way because people can register without a real name people aren't being told to re-register so this is why it's not so simple they can require it by law but it doesn't mean people will obey so I think that's the other dynamic this now Mr you wants to add another point please uh we have we are obliged to leave the room on time and I'm very sorry about that uh but please pretty short the question of the young lady because we often see internet as a tool for protest as a tool to against political power toce uses of course this is where also citizens use it and so asking can also internet promote peace I think definitely yes

[55:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG2rxuM0VA&t=3300s) because uh what has changed with internet is that we it has allowed botom up expression citizen expression that can go beyond traditional press and traditional politics and for example I was just looking the example of of our media as C we are promoting Intercultural dialogue we're promoting expression between Citizens We're Crossing Borders and and breaking that and doing so I think citizens can use it using internet in order to communicate to dialogue and to produce new kind of content and that envirment is just huge and potential now un short of time uh even interpreters uh have left for un leaving and I want to thank them for their work so I excuse myself uh with those persons who had wanted to uh make intervention there are quite a few of them I excuse myself no time I hope anyhow that these three hour session has been useful and interesting certainly we get out of this hemicycle with many questions less answers but certainly the good exchange of practices and experiences will help us in Def finding answers to all those questions let me thank Mrs P Mr Mr har Mr Fernandez Mr Mr and all the organizers of this amazing week devoted by the Council of Europe democracy thank you very much okay folks uh that's the end of the stream see you later

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