# Green Foundation Ireland - The Future of Europe (part 1 of 2)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [394], part 1 of 2. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

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Cite as: Green Foundation Ireland - The Future of Europe, video, 2012-11-17, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [394], https://guptaoption.com/texts/394.md.

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## Passages, part 1 of 2
[0:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=0s) to it's searching for an input so obviously something is not let [Music] sure sure have to get this to look again searching sear searching for oh yeah yeah yeah we're already streaming um you think just you yeah start I think we just was in the this beautiful building to tell us more about it and then we will

[2:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=150s) just say about Theus good morning ladies and gentlemen welcome to the ter Hall first housekeeping tasks for you you're in your room there par exit here which needs to G us on the High Street and also the way you came in downstairs we having lunch likewise there are EX we have to tell you that we're here for over 300 years and the building has not gone on for yet so please don't and so I I can have to say something about the this building and its Historical Center of Revolution reforming over more than 300 years this is one of the only finding Guild Hall in the city of D only six Guild halls in the city and then the GU the guilds are of course the trade associations of the merchants and this is the merchant Guild bu this building is built in the queen in 1706 before Georgia before the expansion of the city outside just to give it the guild system of course is University of cross Western Europe much of the rest of Europe as well and is uh was involved in the governments of the Cities the training and qualification of of members of professionals cfts and benets and drawing from that comes the movement of Freemasonry in the 18th century the English Grand Lodge is founded in London in 1717 second AUST the Irish one founded in 1725 that's the first record mention the election to master that group uses building our headquarters gr the Mason of course and the key characteristic of Freemasonry is design of the universal fraternity of all mankind equality of religions that Ines a peak in the 1790s a masonic knowledge to Ser background knowledge at the following Compu members the James and one Daniel those people are largely known to us as the United arish in 1791 Thomas

[5:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=300s) pay's the right of man is published as a rebuke to edinberg Reflections upon the French Revolution that becomes a very widly read book in there are records of crowds crowding into coffee houses here red because they couldn't afford to buy it and of rural poor collecting our pennies to buy the so do it's very wiely read in 1792 p w as organizing Secretary of the cathol commit proant as indeed many of the people I mentioned where some are Catholics um organizes with the Catholic committee the backl par here in 1792 it assembles in the 7th or 1792 here and passes a series of motions but the first thing to mention about the B Parliament is that it's modeled on the French Revolutionary precept um recent 3 years earlier the tennis court convention convenes in Paris as a shadow Parliament and it gives rise to the French Revolution here we have on the same constituencies as the AR House of commment for every MP elected to the r House of commment a body which only Protestant could sit in members of the Church of Ireland the Anglican Church sit um and only um uh be elected by from the same constituencies a deputy is elected come here and the assembly for a week in 1792 with by the way one young man called Daniel col 19 years of age representing n there's a list outside in the Hall of the members of the they press for a series of reforms they set press for series of forms the principle one thing to summarize is from henceforth the law should be blind to religion and this is the first Declaration of equality of religion before the law and it is of course l in earlier in the year in 1791 and the United Irishman actually found they meet great success with the support of edin Burke Henry Granton and Lord Char leaders of the Patriot party which only 10 years ear reach legislation Independence for the Irish and the reforming movement in spirit was still alive

[7:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=450s) and in in 1793 he reassembled here sadly on the day the king's head is cut off in house which takes 3 months for theet J the king GE of her actually received and is sympathetically disos the first Catholic is AR it among other things extends Tri byy for the first time to Catholic the right of franchise for Municipal elections but not to be elected to Municipal body or hold uh the recognition of marriages for Americans purposes other than church and the um the Reiss to tra and professions uh for Catholics this has a major effect on D not go and stud for so in 179 so he carries on campaign is back here inde a standing Council to the Grand L remes and uh and they r as with the Catholic commity meeting in in the9 finally through British Imperial we ar refer to cation Which is far me than that it's Catholic Jewish and Muslim emancipation is actually achieved by and that of course has huge effects isra generation Prim Minister and of course gandi ultimately can become a bar Etc and and Hindus serve our Municipal councils so that reforming process takes place here so this room is the center of our historic life it's the center of the change of thinking from a medal world to Progressive world to democracy from aristocracy democracy and there's no doubt that Our intention was in 17923 and of course in 7 years there was actually the country to achange that those Mar and just put this in context more than 30,000 people were killed 19798 5,000 put to death city of govern alone this contast with the French Revolution where the terror in the French Revolution last Concord teams was putting off heads for 18 months three times with more

[10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=600s) all cont so the tragedy of course is the peaceful constitutional [Music] movement there some information outside of the organization it's this thank you so much John you can see that John is a real Enthusiast and we many of us who were invol Inka over the years um have battled to preserve buildings such as this this was jion um and it was was a huge battle the battle continues continue into the90s late decade of the Tiger but this building is still standing to people like John and volunteers that has just kept this place going now we brought you to this historic place um today because we are again at a point of Crisis H and of course again it affects all of us whether from Romania where Marina comes from all of what we call Core Europe Continental Europe but we must remember we are Europe as well and what John has told us confirms that know we have always been I don't believe in peripheries and Center we're all in the global world at the center we're not um with we I and we also want to talk about a Republic now we don't mean a republic in the sense of beheading the kings and queens as happens in this era or getting rid of what some of us refer to as the actual Queen the real queen who visited us finally last year but um a form of government which is in which governance is considered a public matter

[12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=750s) and not the private concern of property of rulers and where officers of state are elected or appointed rather than the inherited and other words of course this tradition were Comm familiar to all of us in the English speaking World Greek speaking world for we were just last week in so um this is just a you know a real time of Crisis and we don't I think have properly addressed the question of legitimacy of the European Union with its citizens it's a rumble that goes on all the time we need to create um a public space in order to have a legitimate Republic in the sense of public uh where government is considered a public matter and somehow that's is still lacking in the European Union and we're going to address that from various perspectives today uh particularly this morning but we are particularly also because we are Ireland out to the West between us we have this big larger Island United Kingdom and we sometimes fly over it or say around it to get get to Europe and there is huge and growing Euros in the kingom which it would have to the extent that now it is considered a real possibility that there could be a referendum which the United king would withraw I would have never said that but now it is real possib and this would have devastated we have just finally made a case with and I do believe that is the final piece and we taken borders down ourselves and this island we have taken imagin reports down between us and the rest and great Brit because Great Britain is the bigger island and political sense we we are now closer than we have ever been and we've always been close because we have we share know family and we are so close to

[15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=900s) this been a famili problem unsettled last century and now it is arm so it would be so devastating if just when we are the point of settling our inner conflict on these islands that Europe once again open a raw wound and create a land between ourselves and the north I think we can't allow this to happen really should persuade and do everything we can because this immense propaganda on the other and we should not allow this do same as the people of 1798 all their SES resist conflict go for um democratic reform and try to make sure that the worst case Mar because I think it would not be just devastate I believe it be devastating of the United they are not seeing that and they are not that we have a huge crisis all over Europe when you talk about Spain I'm not even going to say but when we see pictures on our television people so desperately throw themselves up balconies LS are being repossessed your heart goes out to so we have to have a different youy people collect collecting in the square in Athens in Athens the weekend we were there they Parliament had to vote for 9 billion Euro of cuts now we've been asked for this year we've been asked to make three billion cuts each year for the last two years and it's been terribly I don't know I don't know how be on the table it is so serious so serious but I really do not feel that this is getting through to the center and people have half the set all over Europe they're not not

[17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1050s) and the head that's my my view you all may have different views but so let's let's explore that today and let's do in a kindly way which we listen to each other we don't throw GPS at each other because that's actually as well what's happening in the South throwing bricks at North Germany is throwing bricks down to the South we're also at Brussels and nobody seems so we've always in the tried to do this listen I know we will introduce Marina Marina is um Mar is from reaal is from Romania and has worked in our office in Brussels number of years the project before that she worked with the delegation remain you should me but anyway let's listen to what say about Associated and maybe just a little bit about the history of Europe foundations and Foundation particular because we have a very years ago and they were the result of the of the European convention and as you know the the two fa Europe on the constitution in in 2005 in France and the Netherlands have led to the Bel that Europe is not reaching out to to its citizens and that there is a really big gap what the Europe does what citizen um and therefore European political foundations um Associated to the political groups in the European Parliament were created German mod with the idea of bringing European discussions closer on the national

[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1200s) agenda of political debate and of course we as a foundation work closely with u National political foundations of the GRE in various European Union member states and while our work is focused on the European Union we sometimes also look beyond beyond that to to the larger Europe in trying to to address glal problems um I would like to thank very mucha and the for welcoming us here and for aging to work together on a project Union which in 2012 the foundation is working together with the German Foundation um in the idea that we are clearly all in a deep crisis um and this I I work in Brussels and Brussels is usually a very uh centered place of um of European identity but also of a belief that that Europe is is a is a project that would bring a better change to our lives and I've never really seen so much depression as as currently in russels um and I think a lot of it has to do with also the various understandings of the crisis and and with this project our main aim was to to try to to create a platform where the discussions on the crisis and on the solutions to crisis being more Europe more or L Europe what type of almost we inel austa and Finland the foundation has organized itself debate in Germany and C Europe Republic we have debate in Belgium as well the idea being really to see which our common points how do we commonly perceive the ways out of the crisis and if this is with more Europe what is our Green Vision Europe and uh how are we going to get out this together with more solidarity rather than l so I'm I'm very much looking for for the discussions today it's been really fascinating the history of this place a clear Democratic link

[22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1350s) [Applause] okay I'm now going to universityin connection but I let you take charge now said before I introduce the the speaker just maybe to set the scene uh for today's discussion I mean as I was thinking about on the train on the way down it face with is from a green perspective or from a sense of a citizen in Europe is how do we think and act in turbulent times how do we think and act in tring times because I do think we are going through some extremely troubling times obvious the focus today is is on Europe but the political crisis the Euro Zone crisis and also then of course many of brains in terms of climate crisis issues of PE oil biodiversity loss um the riv popping of ecological you know basis of speaking that's a sense of resilience other people in the party or in the audience get that sense that we've almost moved Beyond sustainability it used to be the uh the goal of BR actional ideas to a sense of resilience you know that the shocks coming and how actually respond and understand those shocks and the first session today is focusing on issues of of governance of decision making um whether or not we can interject some green ideas of of you know decision making at the lowest possible level sometimes that means that the European level multile governance we have former talking about issues of of governance uh so on so just to um give a sense of the the logistics of the first session we have five speakers so rather

[25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1500s) than um compel you to listen the five speakers on the trough we're going to take three speakers up the beginning a short Q&A after that and then we take the final two speak session a time up until 10 to one so our first speaker will be Ryan um who here there um leader of the great party who for many of you um would well know and a little known fact about Aon only GS and academics like me will probably know this that aan has the uh the badge of honor in my view being the only May correct me if I'm wrong the only minister in Europe to actually officially recognize oil as AIC issue um most of the government den and it's an important issue just to set up uh the point he may make is that the in issue is going to be a major one for here on this island across Europe in terms of our addiction to to Fossil F have to recognize that um issues around recognizing the you know the limits of a cared Society is at the central part of what I think really be do and we have been do um certainly this green Foundation event um my understanding ations for mission is in understanding some of the cultural dimensions of the shift we need to make toer country world and it's in that context if I can and use my the location in this room to take a really broad sweep and time to look at a historic context using that as a given an issue of cultural understanding we need to get to as much as technical political as I'm very much influenced in what I'm about to say with work that

[27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1650s) I've been doing with another project with green Foundation which is um a climate Gathering it's an event we're going to hold in B in CLA on 15th 16th 17th of February next bringing people from across the world to get to that actual key Point how a cultural

[32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=1950s) long Johnny fingers down the road someone I think and I because I think there was a turning point itin the day late but was but it turned and it got sub like feminism with a new market market ideology which existed the last 30 years on brothers um there was a play I just get to the point a play and I went to see one of these new play understand the world was taking the text the transcript from hearings and the character character yes years that that trying to get over now is produced two good things l in the spending and Military both brought the wall down CH world oranization and created techform nothing ever was achieved without sucess the excess of our De Bu which Rel a legacy that allows to make next transformation of the world that globalization that occurred I don't believe it's going to be reversed the internet is as Fally shift in technology as instruction of print

[35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2100s) our script our television are any the previous technological leaps that made the culture change and if you try to understand to what comes next if we done as I've argued from theology to theology ideology and psychology if we're to understand what's doing and understand globalization of what doing we need an understanding of living systems and not is called ecology it's ecological think which is I believe the culture's best fish for this currently changing technological world and to get the economic and political governance right we need to understand the characteristics of that ecology it's complex and difficult and very hard to simplify right down but I time I have here to two two short com concept number of Concepts it is in my mind both collaborative and competitive and collabora in the sense that it's open source technology it works well it works well through sharing files in a fair e way the very internet prot designed has actually allowed certain characteristics to support coll collaboration it's competitive as well though in the sense that it's completely open the world I can on this machine something to someone in China I find out most that someone has another location and be able to try and provide it without a huge allow infrastructure in corporations um and I think therefore what we need to do in the development political institutions that have we need to maintain a collab approach and collab approach I would is going have to be interation I don't believe it will be easy to reverse globalization I don't believe firstly our people will it and secondly I would fear that if we did it when you start to see the resilience issue the fight for the remaining resources tur into a fight it will not work if we try to back in globalization and have Continental for those resources work go back to a regional National local have to workers go plac and that's

[37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2250s) where I believe for of the Europe has been the best example of nation St cooperation and I think what we're going to have to do now is to give it the power to be able to negotiate a new collaborative International order I of work thaton SM Constitution law making the point that Europe was founded on three initial gos um Peace primarily con T itself part um the delivery prosperity and even just showing the ability to create Supernatural institution they have achieved the new goal for the the new Ro for the Europe is taking this new collabor international globalized politics and being in delivering what we needs to National sustainable order I you said up on the capability of actually living within the I actually think work with for 10 years power of the internet doubling confusion power every two years but still perfect next 20 years combined with a war efficiency which is the New Economic Opportunity that exists across this world does make it possible for completely turn the course of Industrial Revolution into a resource limit resource if we going to try away half our fish overboard as as excess if we away if we thr away two3 of the heat energy that the generation opportunity there massive opportunity and one of the things internet econom is doing is showing what those opportunities are and giving people the opportunity for economic investment employment actually ring that waste Australian James six grade to showing that that is The Economic Opportunity that is going to determine world of investment employment years and it is the use of the

[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2400s) internet that makes it makes it possible but what it also means is global governance it needs actually to keep competitor certain International rules that all to do of issues is dead National not work migration we don't his but I think the RO for Europe is to actually start it working again as a model of a c coll collaborative and competitive political organization why not use your's power to go the Chinese and the Americans and say [Music] now switch off and fire energy we have succeed Ming from moving from the village to Nation stage which was better than the previous war ording that we particularly have in this country we now need to make the next evolutionary forward it to sh with what's happening with technology that is revolutionizing the way the world works and that's what I think I'm very proud to be here today to share some of those thoughts in a room where previous Revolution and evolution thank you thank you very much set discussion our next speaker is [Music] J also a member of the Europe fre Alliance as well so you're very welcome Jill you're going low Tech as well I thank you very much thank you for the um the invitation to speak at this event I think it's one of a series of of events uh looking at developments within the European un and so it's uh it's very timely that at this time crisis that we should come together in in this way to to look at the different options uh I'm particularly pleased to be here with who uh we were

[42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2550s) colleagues and and great friends in the time that we work together in the European Parliament and it's it's lovely to be ining on a beautiful Sunday too even though we our two countries are very CL neighbors I certainly don't um visit irland often enough and that's one of the the things I think we need to to look at developing to the process between the different nations within the European Union but we are of course seeing dramatic changes and uh these discussions have taken place in Brussels on a a daily basis in fact it's it's been going over some years of course the crisis and the discussion about the resolution of that crisis it has come to the point now where as L said earlier things like the UK with going from the European Union areu about openly things that useful even though some like conservatives or UK independence party members might have been calling for in the house of parment they were things that we never actually believe would would really happen well that's changed now and the crisis of course is not just an economic crisis it's a democratic crisis it's a social crisis and certainly it's an environmental crisis because why naturally When people's wages are being cut when their pensions being C when unemployment is is at Sky High levels then that's the issue that's going to be at the top of most people's minds and climate change and the need to fight climate change has slipped right down the political agenda we see those two issues as going hand in hand of course they going to to help resolve the crisis is to make kind of investment to create green jobs that will Revitalize the economy but that's not the way it's been seen but the whole crisis has created a new atmosphere and a self-examination uh of what we are doing in the European Union and that's not a bad thing of course it's a good thing that we should be looking at that unfortunately uh certainly within the UK context it's done the backdrop of the tableid press um becoming more and more

[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2700s) hysteric I mean I can't believe some of the headlines uh in in some of the the newspapers now about um what the European Union is telling Britain to do next and unfortunately of course this this message um does hit home a lot of people it is the kind of press that people read and so it's much more difficult to us for us to get our message across but on top of the uh the whole discussion in parallel to the whole discussion um on the future of Europe that we see on a European Parliament level and with the European commission there is of course tremendous change happening at the sub substate level um not only is uh the referendum V to take place in Scotland in 2014 but there are major changes happening in Catalonia there's an election in Catalonia on the 25th of this month which is an election for the government of Catalonia but is much more than that course symbolically it's an election for the people to make a statement about wanting Catalonia to become independent from from Spain and so there are major changes going on uh at other levels as well well which until now it's fair to say that the European commission and certainly the European Council has has ignored or try to ignore Point has been reached now where that can't be ignored any longer for my own part and for the party of Wales um we would like to see Wales becoming a member state of the European Union and the reason for that is is quite simple it's because that's the the normal status Nation to have Independence if we want to see equality between all of the nations of Europe and at the moment we are reliant on being represented by David camon Hold Us in first ministers um we want to be able to stengthen our economy we want to play a full part in Europe we want to make our contribution to that new international World Order ENT of we're not able to do that because we don't have the freedom to do that at

[47:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=2850s) the moment and uh with within the European Union um we would like to be able to to represent the r National interest and we can't do that at the moment I I give you a couple of examples um the structural funds of course and and European funding generally it's hugely important agricultural policy payments two3 of gets the top level of European funded cause of poverty levels and we we got a lot of other funding besides that and yet we have a government in the UK which so we have a UK government that is acting uh in in direct um acting directly to to undermine the position of the wsh economy if they had their way they kep the funding that most communities depend on and we depend on that funding because of the policies of UK government that has marginalized the r eony over the years and so there is no way that the UK can represent the w interest inessence another example is um our language we have two languages in W which is quite normal in European countries and yet we don't have status which is kind of halfway status um but we we don't have that and when we're talking about Europe and people and connections and and lossess what's more effective in terms of establishing a good relationship with speaking to people in their own language and languages um but we don't have that within the parliament uh is a member of the European free Alliance

[50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3000s) as well we we Shar the majority of the political agenda and we vot for um an an effective Europe Union but our parties support put a lot of emphasis the EA parties put a lot emphasis on self determination on getting more autonomy Independence powers for what we see as the real Nations and regions of Europe and what a Common Thread running through all of the the E is our enthusiastic support for uh an effective we want the EU to be strengthened to be more effective to be more answerable open and Democratic and when the Lisbon treaty was being discussed I supported uh a referendum on the lisban treaty in the UK something that was totally misunderstood by the Press because the only people calling for a referendum people who were against lisb treaties but we wanted a referendum because we wanted a real debate on wales's place in the future of Europe and uh now we are looking at the the whole range of of scenarios the whole range of options that there can be for all of us within the EU but unfortunately again within the UK conts context is been looking it's been looked at as a very simple in or out Bo that's what people B for now and uh in the House of Commons just uh two weeks ago um there was an amendment down to a debate by um the r conservative MPS supported by the lab party which was calling for even further Cuts in the EU budget than David Cameron was proposing and uh this marked a sea change in the way that the British the parties and looking at the European Union and I think it's a very retrograde

[52:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3150s) set and that they join together it may be for short doing political Advantage but the consequences of that are are really shocking and if anyone reads Hans I don't normally but I did on this occasion you will see that the toone of the language used in that debate is really horrifying the way that they talk about do the whole essence of Europe of the partnership of the solidarity of the the prevention of conflict all of that is lost all that they're talking about is money and we want our money back and we we are not going to give more MERS admission that's the only way in which their being is being carried out and I I think that that makes things very much more difficult for those of us who are working within the the UK ofex because we do want to emphasize that solidarity and within our group we have done that to the crisis we do want to work together on climate change fighting climate change prot social rights gender equality and so on support programs and to do that we do to and to not only overcome the economic crisis but also to ensure that the resources are available to invest in creating jobs in the future now this cor debate of course um within the the EU and the UK is taking place uh against another backdrop and that is of the um referendum in Scotland in 2014 and um for us in Wales it means that we have to think very carefully and we are beginning just beginning the debate on our future we are not a region of England so where does the Independence debate the oils how do we um ensure that we are part of that debate that we are not sidelined through with that that we have a stronger position that we are able to play a real part and we know that it's going to change the the future constitutional relationship Al together I say whatever the the result is in

[55:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3300s) 2014 things will change and we have to be sure that that change um enables railers to to contribute more to the European Union we see in the same kind of debate forces Asia in Catalonia and all of these situations are unique but they are all common threats and what makes uh the connection between all of them is that the debate on their future and the debate on Independence is taking place very firmly within a new European Union context it's not about being outside of Europe it's within Europe building a new Europe and it's ironic isn't it that um at at the same time when uh we talking about making the European Union more relevant the commission uh as well and and government leaders are talking about making Europe more relevant there's also a debate going on about um possibly expelling the whole nation of Scots if they go work for um Independence when they are enthusiastic Europeans just doesn't make sense and so we have to bring these things together we have to look at how all of the Nations will be brought in and those people who want to be part of Europe are part of Europe um you know the UK might want to leave but Scotland wants to St St in and so do as way and so we have to um ensure that the UK message is not even as a message of all of us who live in the D but we do have to um respond and react to the way that we've alienated the people in you Europe through the eu's response to the economic crisis uh we have a tremendous amount of work to do on that and the PA are showing now that the um people's views of the European Parliament in thought we were seen as the good guys but even people VI of the European Parliament are now um drop in in people loti with the way that Europe has has been reacting and uh president of commission R alsoo

[57:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3450s) was called for a major debate now to the European elections when we talk about the future of Europe well yes let's do that but let's not let them set the agenda let's set the agenda that we are talking about to you this morning and um just on a positive note to finish um is a tremendous amount of skepticism in the UK uh you all have heard and seen uh and she the UK independence party and and how they in and the the Press attention they can get in but we had a by election in in C South this week and uh they came fifth um our last speaker just in this session is um who is um world expert definitely Google V's name and uh put a very interesting collection of websites and articles and activities that he's been involved in um and particularly the organization been able to tell about many organizations we've been working with but uh really interesting about B is not just thetive ideas the has either the Creator or one of the leading members of The Institute of CICS uh very interesting name for thinking and acting in these struggl times um but also providing practical solutions to issues of of Crisis and actually seeing crises as opportunities as well um so all right so um I didn't realize quite what revolutionary set i' be talking soared should say mainan shall so um let me start by do this on the sort of macro historical Europe has seen at least a millennia for and really two or three Millennia it's been blood soaked to the ankles in the best of times and the knee

[1:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3600s) in average times it's a terrible place to live so we come out World War I the first genuinely reconized war with a bom de of what human world that takes probably 20 to 30 years to invent itself in the it's artistic it's political you know it it's never again great Word War all the langage and because what happened in Europe was so incredibly terrible mechanized Warfare you literally people who had 20 or 30 years before been running around Bri color Dr uniforms you know talking about land Empire world in the middle French Warfare Ma and the level of the sh is then doubled up again when we enter World warable another now the horrific new Weaponry is Rockets ument nuclear B which is by the largely engineered by European refugees to take America more or less the entire escape the H and you put yourself into this kind position and comes and says look right it is one Euro from the urals to the Sea the same Destiny of world and the ambition of this statement given month before is on thinkable to be able to say that Europe is going to first of all become United that it's going to become peaceful and that it's going to become a global force of good rather than is Unthinkable ambition and this is what becomes Europe it's led by the elit it's in response to it's on top of centuries of continuous and the European ideal is as ambitious as end Gambia all be it failed in much more political term um the concept of from the EUR to the SE as a United political block build capability to produce a better world for every is at the heart of this Vision now a lot of my involvement in the European process go back couple years I got drafted by for which was Council Europe is C of your research project basically on care

[1:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3750s) you're 25 years old you're not going into education you're not going work and you don't become an employe you find something else find New Perspective and that brought me into contact with enormously wi European youth from all kinds of different walks of life and what I learned from these kid is nobody that Europe is not a country right for them it's always a single parency they've always been able to without any of they always been able to work anywhere they like they've they've always been able to treat the entire as so the idea that the uh crisis is going to in some way unpick this single European identity if anybody tries that we're going to end up in a direct conflict with the European generation kids grown up with unified Europe for all intents and purposes the people who have no understanding Europe is not uh natural in this way will fight to and male to be able to continue to live in B to be able to travel in France to be able to work in Italy for them this is just what Europe is and the idea that the elites have gone from being pro-european integration anuran integration now that they're being asked place they said want and the European political basis now among the young than the old is a radical transformation I think if you shown that future he would secretly been that it had become the people's Orion of Europe the problem we have is that the political eles are nation state level Poli but are fighting one for their particular from their Within in we're at the point now where what was initially advantageous to the nation state political Elites was more integration and now we're over the hump where further integration is disadvantageous thetic inside each country as power migrates super cidi where more and more Powers cannot the European platform is causing the nation state needs to dig in hum because

[1:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgiHvtQOISs&t=3900s) they if you wind up with not just Financial repair right not just a single currency but a single policy with European bonds with European spending very very very quickly we discover the vast majority of what the nation state government for is making social poliy this is much buet you decide how to depend your count priority rather than the notion of the nation state as being the op of power it will become superstate and whether or not we make it all the way over that H into that European superstate condition is an open question and but I think it's very important to understand the nature of the financial crisis the nature of the crisis of authority that is within that is about Deal's Vision Church rapidly having become the experiences while the old to nations in actual fact what we're seeing is another generation of fall it's not just property it's also that the nation state and until we really to understand how danger of making War over and thenat the entire situation back into a p in 10 years and we fin it's a razor whether we retain a collaborative relationship between or SP nation state the European Vision turns of the from generations of kind that not easily um so if we are forward into this Europe super and I'm not saying that I'm for or against that I simply think that it's become de facto reality so we have to accept this then we should what and obviously the direct point of comparison here is America which as we know is about the worst governed country the world right the levels of 14th century religious Insanity coupled with political Corruption of um are are profound ises right fact that there spending something like 25% of their National Pro on arms in an environment start War about generation right so the idea that we might build

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