# Green Foundation Ireland - The Future of Europe (4) (part 3 of 3)

> One source from the archive of Vinay Gupta's work at guptaoption.com, as plain text for AI agents: [391], part 3 of 3. Vinay Gupta, exponential humanitarian. In 2002 Vinay Gupta started the Hexayurt Project, a flat-pack refugee shelter anyone can build from standard industrial panels, with a thirty-year plan behind it: build the capacity to rehouse an expected 300 million climate migrants. Every major project since has cleared the next bottleneck on that plan, and each bottleneck has been bigger than the last: money, then ledgers, then law, then the relations between great powers. Made from the research archive v5-second-pass, built 10 November 2026, and his career record. The map of the whole archive is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt, and any source [id] is at https://guptaoption.com/texts/<id>.md. This file's connections are below, then his passages.

## Where this source sits

- Source: video, 2012-11-17 (YouTube upload date), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs. Text: automatic captions, partly corrected
- On the plan's timeline (by date, not by subject): after the money step (Global Village Development Bank, 2009), before the ledgers step (Ethereum launch, 2015).
- How it fits the plan (the research build's reading): Context recording.
- Career works it belongs to:
  - The New Economy: out of money, out of time, but not out of ideas (2010): One-page paper: the richest fifth are eating the planet, so the next economy has to be at peace with other... (suggested by machine)
  - The Big Deal (2011): Four-essay blog series arguing that government has hit hard limits, so civil society, working with... (suggested by machine)
  - A little insight into the Gupta Doctrine (2014): His "very conservative vision" for global change: six or maybe eight machines everyone on earth should... (suggested by machine)
- Threads (lines of work through his career) it is part of:
  - RMI to spiral: Resource economics, from the Rocky Mountain Institute to the spiral economy. (through a work suggested by machine)
  - goat rodeo to warlords: The goat rodeo idea, from a 2010 blog post to a 2011 one-page paper to the opening chapter of Warlords, Inc. (2015). (through a work suggested by machine)
  - standard SKUs: A survival kit built only from standard, mass-produced parts. (through a work suggested by machine)
- Topics: Open government & anti-corruption (67%)
- Distinctive terms here, against the whole archive: Ireland (20 here; 36 sources in all, earliest dated 2006); Fukushima (3 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); European integration (1 here; 3 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); citizens (5 here; 63 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 3 undated); political will (2 here; 17 sources in all, earliest dated 2008); jobs (6 here; 85 sources in all, earliest dated 2003, 4 undated); emerging markets (1 here; 5 sources in all, earliest dated 2012); standards (5 here; 87 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 3 undated); markets (7 here; 159 sources in all, earliest dated 2006, 6 undated); mortgages (1 here; 22 sources in all, earliest dated 2012)
- The earliest dated source in this archive for (undated sources may be earlier): mortgages; emerging markets; Fukushima; European integration
- Importance: core-text score 0.16 (1.00 is the top), number 408 of the 729 sources it scored, the research build's measure of substance, importance and innovation
- Related sources:
  - [677] [Vinay Gupta - A Radical Manifesto for Fixing the World (2021)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/677.md): close in content (cosine 0.91)
  - [572] [How To Address Climate Change: Diplomacy, Politics,... (2022)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/572.md): close in content (cosine 0.91)
- On the same works, just before: [725] [Vinay Gupta l Plausible utopias | Meaning 2012 (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/725.md); [396] [Transparency International launch event, Dublin (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/396.md); [148] [Mother of Hydrogen (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/148.md)
- On the same works, just after: [72] [A Feather for Lifting Anvils – EdgeRyders 2.0 plans to... (2012)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/72.md); [169] [OHM2013 Program (2013)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/169.md); [686] [VINAY GUPTA, Future of Europe Seminar, Nov 2012 (2013)](https://guptaoption.com/texts/686.md)

## Reading it

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Cite as: Green Foundation Ireland - The Future of Europe (4), video, 2012-11-17, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs; in Vinay Gupta's archive at guptaoption.com, source [391], https://guptaoption.com/texts/391.md.

Other speakers' passages are removed, so there can be gaps.

## Passages, part 3 of 3
[1:57:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs&t=7050s) must okay n please um just very briefly I think that uh always the questions uh in this last round have shown that there are really three points on which future discussions should uh focus and I think also the particularly would be the green party not just in Ireland but in other European countries would focus on those more firstly the question Financial regulation Banks must not do to Big to fail and force governments to impose their interests on on secondly we must discuss the social Union uh uh thirdly and I'm very grateful that that n emphas emphasiz this issue we must discuss more on growth so far I have agreed with everything that Paul has said but not to the point that if we uh invest more in a service oriented economy and if we invest Services that's a way we can continue to grow and be environmentally uh sustainable because just as the Advent of the computer has not led to the paper-free office but in the contrary much much more paper is being used the Advent of the internet based service industry is using use is is leading to Incredible use of energy Google is one of the most intensive energy users in the world so I think we must be much more serious about uh how growth can happen and should happen at all can we grow out of the prices no years ago I read statistics or calculation what would it take Italy to grow out of its debt and the answer was 5% growth rate per year now that's not very likely but even if it were to happen would be wanted I mean on a very large uh gross national product to add 5% a year I mean what would that mean in terms of resource uh use of resources so I think we must find a way to deal with debt without being able to grow out of them without wanting to grow out of them and then we must talk about that structuring we must talk about different ways of economics and we're only just beginning this discussion in France France as far as I know is the only country that is seriously discussing the issue of De growth and I think other countries uh must also uh look at this more seriously even though it sounds a little bit crazy for most people at the moment but I don't think there's an alternative done okay just a cou points theow thing 200 years

[2:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs&t=7200s) ago AB world could not could not more people living on the [Music] planet I'm in no way share this have to be Waring side of things um but I I am optimistic that we can find ways to manage the problems and that ultimately what causes econom but uh Innovation um technological Advance is what allows us to use the resources we have both renable and nonrenewable in way create more so I'm not sure that uh there is any necessarily seing on on how much we can grow I would certainly uh n Agate in some sort of attempt just Ecom I don't think it would be possible anyway involves people doing things starting companies uh working you know what sort of totalitarian society would you have to have to for that process and start growth so I a lot of issues around that and I also think that you know it's very much inherently part what we are you want to improve Advance progress growth we want things to get better that's part of our nature again it's hard that to say no more and then before get into world living Euro day for us in World say grow people tost and if you're going to say gr more what you need then there massive transfers of resources from the rich world to the developing world and then you any politician says people %or in agreement yes keep going keep going the thing rules that focused on the US but what what it didn't focus on is the no growth

[2:02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs&t=7350s) people might care wish for because growth in all developing countries Europe North America uh Japan has been slowing decade after decade after decade uh why that's happen I said arow there is good understanding of why that's happening liberalization uh we' had technological advances all of those things should be causing grow to accelerate but it's been slow why don't know but it is slowing and it's likey Prim examples this is% just that point of letting the banks fail um you know they let neans fail and look what happen nobody expected that to happen now the counter argument that is that if they the bubble would just got and when came you know I'm Financial systems fail I don't think certainly think M regulation need but I need that the system has to be downsized uh elements of the system that are imper risky um practice products I think there's a planning some products are practic is just too big uh to make it safe and the cost of this you know we be P for years and it could get a lot gr so you finance needs to be restructured but the question is how do you get from here to a safe system do you let things collapse do you get into Mass equal territory the whole system is extremely fragile and don't forget you know every one person's dead is another person once you start getting into being default and already system somebody else's assets whether they were pension fund or whatever they are that the whole system we you do we want a collapse you know we seen what happens in Austria Russ you even stop people have D do we want to go there so my hope is so we can get from where we are now to a safer much smaller Financial system without going through a collapse let fail

[2:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfvWnkEwYs&t=7500s) default on everything that we can get to I'm not sure you prer that to happen than the soci consequences some years you okay well thank you very much indeed I'd like to uh thank um our we're just 10 minutes over time which isn't too bad I'd like to thank our pel of speakers uh each and every one of them thank you for taking the time out uh giving generously of your time and I think it has been a very stimulating day and a very stimulating debate this afternoon so thank you again like to thank your green Ireland the green European Foundation H uh and finally i''d like to thank yourselves uh for your contribution uh there will be further events as I understand it next year and we will let you know because you have given your uh your addresses your email as well and we contact you you may be interested in finding out more about green Foundation Ireland and uh we look forward to further stimulating debates in what is a very turbulent time uh in this country and we can only hope uh that we come through it uh a better country and that we have as a result of that uh a better European in as well so thank you very much Al some car keys here someone has lost car

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End of [391] Green Foundation Ireland - The Future of Europe (4), part 3 of 3. Its connections are at the top of this file; the map is https://guptaoption.com/llms.txt.
Read next: next on the same works, [72](https://guptaoption.com/texts/72.md) A Feather for Lifting Anvils – EdgeRyders 2.0 plans to... (2012); the most closely related, [677](https://guptaoption.com/texts/677.md) Vinay Gupta - A Radical Manifesto for Fixing the World (2021); his whole career in one file, https://guptaoption.com/story.md.